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#2146561 This is why no one takes Florio seriously as a writer

Posted by rayzor on 27 February 2013 - 02:13 PM

lots of reasons to point and laugh at florio.

this wasn't one.

#2142619 Once Gamble is Cut, Cornerback Becomes Our Biggest Need

Posted by rayzor on 23 February 2013 - 09:02 PM

gamble is a player we can move away from and barely notice. he's not a difference maker. we're not any better or worse of because of him being on or off the field.

it's not any more of a need than it was before.

#2142401 According to Person we're keeping Williams...

Posted by rayzor on 23 February 2013 - 03:45 PM

I don't see where or how is it that we're keeping Williams. If it's just because Gettleman said, "I don't see why not." That's not enough to actually believe williams will stay here.

Had he said. "Yes, there are no plans to cut Williams." Then I would believe it. This sounds more like he's putting the ball on Williams court. I'm expecting a restructure.

Keep in mind that he also said that he would do what he has to do.

exactly. pure speculation on behalf of person with this article.

#2141499 Everyone be honest.

Posted by rayzor on 22 February 2013 - 01:29 PM

People say cut Gamble and D-Lo because it's the popular thing to say, but if we can get under the cap with them restructuring, then I say keep the both of them.

agreed, but when i think restructuring with those two guys and beason....it's gonna have to take a thomas davis type restructure where you basically rip up the old contract and sign a new one that won't hurt the cap.

#2141495 Nakamura Pay Cut

Posted by rayzor on 22 February 2013 - 01:26 PM

meh, he cost us on ST this year as well...

I think at this point he is camp fodder

agreed. he's done nothing to warrant having a roster spot handed to him. he's on the same footing with any udfa we pick up, imo.

#2140905 Gettleman says he'll use FA to put Panthers in position to take best play...

Posted by rayzor on 21 February 2013 - 08:29 PM

free agency should be the primary means of addressing needs, not the draft.

#2140082 Ideally which position do you want filled in the 1st round?

Posted by rayzor on 20 February 2013 - 09:15 PM

ideally we'd address RG and RT in FA, redo gamble and gross deals for cheap so we don't have to go through the hassle of trying to replace them, sign canty, switch out ron edwards for dwan, and then draft WR and FS in the first couple rounds.

that's my ideal anyway.

#2140053 British Logos...(offseason bros, off season.)

Posted by rayzor on 20 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

anyone else read all of those names aloud in a british accent?

mr. beane voice to be precise.

#2140020 WR's drafted by the Panthers since 2002 - the case to draft a WR in round 1?

Posted by rayzor on 20 February 2013 - 08:25 PM

Jennings became the number 1 wr his 3rd year. When he got the most targets on his team 139 caught 80 balls for 1,200 yards and 9 TD. He reach his full potential his 3rd year. His 2nd year he had 30 less rec. and 50 less targets. He wasn't facing the other teams best CB nor was his TEam main target. Driver was but that change his third season. I'll break down the rest of your crap later.

lol crap.

i'm not talking about full potential. i'm talking about ability to make an impact. what player from any position reaches their full potential in the first couple years of playing? i doubt that aj green and julio jones reached their full potential yet. did randy moss reach his his rookie year?

you don't have to wait years to tell if you'll be anything more than an average WR, which is all we have aside from smitty...and that's being generous.

for many you can tell quickly what they are likely to become.

now i'm sure you're going to find one little stat that you'll spin "masterfully" to back up your "fact" that it takes 3 years or whatever but the honest and real truth is many times it doesn't take long for players to make an impact. some it does...yes. some players take a few years for them to "get it" but that doesn't mean that they don't/can't/won't produce quite a bit because quite often they do.

#2139941 WR's drafted by the Panthers since 2002 - the case to draft a WR in round 1?

Posted by rayzor on 20 February 2013 - 06:27 PM

You might want to check your list Holmes, Jennings didn't blow up until their 3rd year and Plax best year in his Career was his 3rd year. Plus I didn't know we were adding TE.

holmes had 942 and 8 TDs his second year.
jennings had 920 yards and 12 TDs his second year.
burress had 1008 yards and 6 TDs his 2nd year.

i'm not talking about their best year, but i am talking about the imact they had. i don't know what kind of crazy standards you're using, but i'd consider that an impact.

and i'd hardly consider gronk and graham TEs. sure, that's their position but their primary function in the offense is as a receiver.

btw.....i have never said patterson is a "can't miss" prospect. i have said repeatedly he's a "swing for the fences" prospect. i don't consider really any but a very small handful of any draft to be "can't miss" prospects.

#2138653 The Draft sucks (I really love it)

Posted by rayzor on 19 February 2013 - 03:47 PM

i pretty much fell in love with the whole newton idea after watching him at auburn. i thought he was great and the only player i wanted ahead of him was luck, which i feel we got the better of the two.

many hated the idea of newton because he was a boom or bust pick...kind of like mr. scot. i like swinging for the fences. that's how i saw that pick.

i didn't feel like that last year. like many, when i first noticed kuechly i was expecting another dan connor and poo all over the idea. then i watched his tape. he looked great. he looked safe. he looked like a sure thing. i thought that we couldn't go wrong with him...but he wasn't my first (or maybe even second) choice. i wanted brockers. he was raw, but he looked like a beast to me. he looked like a guy who could do some damage. kuechly to me was the sensible, but boring pick. it wasn't what i perceived to be a need at all, but he just seemed too talented to pass up. i'm glad we didn't.

there's a couple guys that i think would be safe picks that make sense, but my preference is usually going to be for those raw talents with a huge upside as long as i see them as being coachable and having shown demonstrable growth...which cam and brockers had shown, imo.

this year that guy is patterson to me. i'll probably be fine with whoever we pick because i trust gettleman and rivera in that regard. i even trusted first round picks with hurney as long as he wasn't pissing the picks away on some gamble/trade.

we're in a situation that there's several directions we could go and pick the best talent. of course i hope we go for the playmaker, but as long as we can get someone who can make a difference at their position i'll be happy. i get my favorites every year and argue for them, but really i'm cool with whatever and pretty much expect to be pleasantly surprised.

i don't rule anyone out. i don't consider myself to be some expert or even someone that should be listened to and if i am wrong about someone or something it doesn't surprise me or bother me. i expect it...not that i'm going to bow to someone elses wrong opinion or anything...but the draft is pretty much an unpredictable affair, even if the unpredictable pick was the one that ultimately made the most sense. no one knows what we're going to do and thinking they do is just delusional. i may get slightly intense in pre-draft discussions, but really i don't have a dog in that fight so it's just a lot of barking for the hell of it (i do have to admit loving playing the part of a troll to those who do take this poo seriously, tho).

i just consider it a ride more than anything. it's a good bit of fun and a diversion from the suck of the previous year and helps to build a little optimism for the next year. where ever it goes, i'm cool with it...unless it's trading that first pick away. i REALLY hate that crap.

#2138434 rivera says things are on track to be under cap and hints at FA

Posted by rayzor on 19 February 2013 - 11:25 AM

Guards are relatively cheap. Heres a breakdown of the average cap hits of the top 5 per position(which he's not a top 5 guard). Also LG is generally much more expensive and he's a RG.


If you don't feel like clicking on the link here they are from least to most expensive(top 5 players only)

Tight End
Running Back
Offensive Tackle
Defensive End

good stuff.

i would love for us to answer these guys with vets via FA or trade for late round picks(when/if needed):
Tight End
Running Back

and then these be what we use the draft for (when/if needed):
Offensive Tackle
Defensive End

#2137775 Rivera talks minority hiring and Cam Newton (Florio criticizes)

Posted by rayzor on 18 February 2013 - 02:17 PM

lol at you calling them educated and wondering if it can ever be "rebuilt" or that it needs to be.

seems you give that BS as much credence as your "educated" people.

#2136797 I know you guys hate this but....

Posted by rayzor on 16 February 2013 - 05:49 PM

Me living thousands of miles away means absolutely nothing about how much I know about the team. I have had directv for the past 7 years and have no missed a single down in that time span. I am a diehard fan so to say I know nothing about the team is a terrible assessment of me. My sister has been in the hospital and I didn't go because the cowboy game was on. I live and breath for the panthers. To say I don't know much about the Carolina's that can be a legit statement. I have never visited so I really don't know what life is like there but to new yorks if you're not in the city you're a hillbilly. To that's assessment of the people there I do apologize. But do not attack me not knowing about the team because I stay here in New York representing panthers nation when it would be very easy to switch over to the giants who constantly win, but I am a panther fan until I die.

sorry, but don't start attacking people and completely making an ass out of yourself by ignorantly calling people you dont know that live in another area hillbillies and expect nothing but attacks yourself.

panther fan or not, piss off. dont need that crap around here.

#2136707 Corradell Patterson Writeup.

Posted by rayzor on 16 February 2013 - 03:52 PM

how long was smitty doing returns as the #1 WR?

no doubt patterson will be doing returns when he enters the league regardless of where in the first round he's selected...and he will absolutely be someone that carries the ball in certain packages as well.

he's the type of player with a type of skillsets you find ways to use. you find anyway to get the ball in his hands possible.

you draft him because of the whole package...not just because of his WR skills (which are there and are growing).

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