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#2018652 Wake Up - We beat a bunch of scrubs

Posted by rayzor on 27 November 2012 - 08:06 AM

"we won the game! I'm so Pissed!!!!!"""""


the panthers got the job done...finally. they beat a team they should have beaten. it wasn't pretty, but it's a win. that's what everyone is happy about.

i wish fans that didn't like the team would just do the logical and rational thing and go find a team that more meets their "standards". i can't for the life of me understand why someone would ever go through the hassle of being a fan of a team that they hated. it's not like you have to be a fan or anything. no one's making you. you aren't contractually obligated. just find another team that you won't have to bitch about.

#2016146 Adam Caplan article on Potential GM's

Posted by rayzor on 26 November 2012 - 07:13 PM

Where exactly did you hear that? It was my impression that he would find the right guy, regardless of his affiliation to that person, like he did with Dimitroff in Atlanta.

they've known each other a long time.

Early in his career as an NFL scout, he turned up at the combine in Indianapolis with hair much longer than he wears it now. Former New York Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi, a longtime family friend, pretended he didn't recognize Dimitroff.

"I'm sitting in the stands and he comes up to me and says, 'Hi, Mr. Accorsi?' I said, 'Who are you?'" Accorsi recalled, chuckling at the memory. "I knew who he was, but I made him say, 'I'm Thomas Dimitroff Jr.' I told him, 'Cut your hair. Your dad wouldn't be too crazy about this.' So the next year, when he came up to me at the combine, he had cut his hair. Not a lot, but I told him that he looked OK."

Accorsi was actually the one who recommended Dimitroff when Atlanta owner Arthur Blank went looking for a new GM after the miserable 2007 season.

dimitroff's dad was a scout for the browns when accorsi was the GM. accorsi was also the one who hired belichek in cleveland and from what i've heard they've always stayed in contact with each other so accorsi was familiar with what dimitroff had been doing with the pats.

i've also heard from other places that accorsi would rather recommend someone that he knows and is familiar with. most likely would be someone he works with, but i think it's important that he knows first hand who it is and what they've done.

personally, i respect that and fortunately, as long as he's been in the league and as big as his circle of influence is in the league, it's not like it's a pretty small circle.

i have read several things that have said as much and i think some of it has been posted in here but i'm too lazy to find it.

#2016045 Peter King lists potential NFL Head Coaches for 2013

Posted by rayzor on 26 November 2012 - 06:25 PM

mike mccoy.


i can't for the life of me think of why he would be on anyone's list.

count me among those who would probably give up if we hired him as well.

#2015656 Adam Caplan article on Potential GM's

Posted by rayzor on 26 November 2012 - 02:23 PM

from the article...

Tom Gamble is a rarity in NFL scouting departments these days: He not only has extensive pro and college scouting experience, he has experience with contract negations and the salary cap, and even has coaching experience (defensive assistant/quality control coach with the New York Jets for two seasons: 1995-1996) on the NFL side. While Gamble was promoted to his current role nearly two years ago, other teams have also been interested in him in recent years (St. Louis Rams and Oakland Raiders on more than one occasion).

Now in his 25th NFL season, Gamble has worked for five teams over that time period and has touched just about every possible aspect on the personnel side. He has helped build 10 playoff teams (four with the Eagles, five with the Indianapolis Colts, and one with the 49ers—and very likely another one this season).

Before taking a job with the 49ers back in 2005, Gamble worked for seven seasons as a college scout under former Colts GM Bill Polian, who is widely recognized as one of the best personnel evaluators in NFL history.

“He’s got a complete grounding in the game. He grew up in the game,” Polian explained to me recently about Gamble. “This is exceedingly important when you consider there are a lot of issues that you have to deal with when becoming a general manager that will come up with a team. You’re at a big disadvantage if you don’t have this experience in dealing with everything. That’s why non-football people have a harder time succeeding. Because Tom has so much experience and grew up around the game with his dad, he’s going to be more prepared than most. That’s a huge advantage.”

#2015646 Adam Caplan article on Potential GM's

Posted by rayzor on 26 November 2012 - 02:20 PM

do you remember when? at work don't have the time to look it up


nothing recent or really noteworthy other than that was where he was first noticed by polian whom he worked under for several years with the colts.

#2015614 Adam Caplan article on Potential GM's

Posted by rayzor on 26 November 2012 - 01:44 PM

the ones with ties to accorsi somewhere down the road are the ones to take seriously, esp. if they are young.

#2015596 Preview/Rant for MNF game (for other teams fans watching)

Posted by rayzor on 26 November 2012 - 01:28 PM

for the love of all that's good....please bring back the 100 post minimum for starting threads!!!!

#2015590 Watching ESPN trying to "hype" this game has been hilarious...

Posted by rayzor on 26 November 2012 - 01:20 PM

Castle is outstanding.
I pray for you she is not in to reality TV.

alaska, the final frontier...duck dynasty...i survived (occassionally)....that's about the extent of it, at least when i'm in the room. when i'm not she'll turn it to one of those baby birthing shows. my daughter loves those as well.

*sigh* i need a son.

#2015509 GAMEDAY

Posted by rayzor on 26 November 2012 - 12:08 PM

LA is a horrible, horrible sports town. So is Charlotte. The reason for this is there are more transplants there than actual natives.

Every time I meet someone in Charlotte, over half the time they are from another state. I tell them I'm from Charlotte born and raised and they are shocked.

if you want panther fans, look outside charlotte.

#2015498 Final warning...

Posted by rayzor on 26 November 2012 - 12:02 PM

Check the MODs forum please.
I want some clarification on this.

this is one of those rare moments i want to be a mod. i hate secrets. :)

#2015398 GAMEDAY

Posted by rayzor on 26 November 2012 - 10:44 AM

all eyes being on the 2012 panthers isn't exactly something i look forward to or feel good about.

#2015258 Final warning...

Posted by rayzor on 26 November 2012 - 08:09 AM

what happens when they make alts in protest of getting banned?

you know it's gonna happen.

#2015106 Perry Fewell?

Posted by rayzor on 25 November 2012 - 11:46 PM

no more DCs, please.

#2014963 gano switches to 9

Posted by rayzor on 25 November 2012 - 09:17 PM

Kasay haters are either 18 years old or have short memories. The guy was clutch and associated with so many great moments in panther history. We've been without Kasay for 4 seasons since 1995 (2000 and 2002 due to injury). In 4 years without Kasay weve gone through richie Cunningham, Joe nedney, Jon hilbert, shayne Graham, mare and now medlock as starting kickers. That's 6 kickers in 4 seasons. But yeah, he was just average and easy to replace.

Sad to see rayzor who is usually a thoughtful poster fall on the side of the mouth breathers on here who only remember the super bowl kickoff or who think that we lost games because we couldn't activate an extra special teams player or a 4th WR due to Kasay only kicking FGs the last couple of seasons here.

I hope that the new GM has a clue and that we will find some talent to replace Kasay but to call him average is shortsighted, historically inaccurate and a disservice to the history of the franchise.

again...not having the guy on a pedestal means i'm a hater?

saying that there's no big deal that someone gets his jersey number or that the first jersey we retire shouldn't be a kicker and that maybe it should be reserved for, i don't know...someone that gets in the HoF?

sorry if i have higher standards for retiring a jersey other than he was here a long time (yes, one of the original panthers) and he was a good guy. ring of honor or give him a statue. either one.

calling me a hater? lol

and you look at where he was ranked for most of the last decade it's respectable, but nothing special. one thing that is interesting is his relation to shayne graham (that filled in for kasay for 11 games in '02 and who i wanted us to pick up when we released kasay).

starting in '03 after he missed most of the '02 season and looking at kickers with one field goal attempt per team game...
'03- 12th with an 84.2 avg (behind graham)
'04- 6th with an 86.4 avg (behind graham)
'05- 23rd with a 76.5 avg (behind graham)
'06- 8th with a 88.9 avg
'07- 14th with a 85.7 avg (behind graham)
'08- 5th with a 90.3 avg
'09- 20th with a 81.5 avg (behind graham)
'10- 9th with a 86.2 avg (graham only played the last games of the season with the pats that year but he was perfect in each of those games: 12 for 12)

now as far as career, pro football reference has him with a lifetime FG avg of 81.883% which puts him at 21st all time career avg. that sounds pretty good, i suppose until you realize that there's 16 ahead of him that are active, including graham that is 6th with a 85.401%.

on field goals made he's 6th all time which is another really impressive stat but then you look at the rest of the top guys on that list and they all pretty much hung on in the league until they were 40+ or nearly 40. the longer you manage to play, the more FGs you make. all you have to do is pretty much just make yourself relevant enough, often enough to keep yourself in the league until you are in your 40s and you'll be among the top. another interesting thing is that among those kickers at the top he is one of a couple who were never all-pro in their career. and if you are one of those who, unlike me, think that the pro-bowl matters...he's only got one. since 1991.

so...when people say he's average or just above average, there's a lot more credence to that so don't get all pissy. he was respectable in his career, but as a kicker he wasn't all that special. he just survived for all but 2 seasons in panthers history.

great guy, but as a kicker....pretty good. not great, but pretty good.

at least that's my opinion. sorry if that makes me a hater.

#2014481 Lol Tampa bay fans

Posted by rayzor on 25 November 2012 - 01:43 PM

if it wasn't for PSLs and other teams' fans, BOA would look just as empty...maybe worse after the past couple years.

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