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#2079321 Get a grip, the real focus is...

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 06:31 PM

Same reason you are, I guess.

nah, I'm still a homer...just a pissed one.

i haven't jumped yet.

#2079181 Told ya

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 05:11 PM

I know right! It sucks so bad having an owner that actually stands by his word!

Woe is us!

i wish he would keep his commitment to his fans to put together a winning team.

seems he's more loyal to his organization than those that support it.

#2079117 If You Say These Things You Should Be Slapped

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 04:38 PM

to counter the OP...

how many winning seasons do we have?

when was the last winning season we had?

we've spent a lot of money.

we've shuffled the coaching staff.

we've drafted one of the best QBs to enter the league in many years.
we've drafted one of the best MLBs in the league.

and we just finished another losing season.

i don't think we have a culture of mediocrity. i think we have a culture that aspires to that.

we have no winning culture around here. we have hopes and dreams and delusions that everything is alright. that next year is the year things finally turn around and we have a winning season (or, in the case of some with the bar set low a .500 season).

we have a losing culture...as evidenced by the only thing that matters...the end result.

we are looking at a continuation of the same. we are looking at the possibility that we might be hiring some glorified organizational logistics guy to be the GM with no previous scouting or personnel experience that some are even defending.

we have a fanbase that is happy/content with a coaching staff and a team that just delivered yet another winning season, but it's ok because it was a little better than before and the players like their coach.

ok....so the guys have a desire to win...at least when the coaches job is on the line. do we have a coach that will make them winners? and i mean just not at the end of the year when its too late, i mean when it counts towards something other than team morale and "ending on a high note"? how long are we supposed to wait for this coach, this team, this organization to put together not just a team that has the potential to win, but one that actually proves it?

how long do we let rivera go before we are convinced that he can't? where do you draw the line? do you let him finish his contract out and then hope that the next DC you hire turns out to be a winner and give him another 4 years or whatever?

the whining/bitching that has been going on is coming from fans...not "fans" but fans that are frustrated by an organization that they have loved and put a lot of stock in shows that it's fine with what is going on, which is not winning. is there some overreacting going on? sure, but is it acceptable? why not? fans upset at losing? THE GALLL! meh...if we want to bitch, let us bitch. it's not our fault that some have higher expectations for their team than others. btw...a winning season is not too high an expectation, esp. this season. it's what they are supposed to do.

i just wonder how many people in here poopooing on those not thrilled with the lack of significant progress will be just as happy with their team if they lose again next year. if it's another years before they have a winning season. is getting close to having a winning season good enough? sorry, imo, it's not. not for me. i want this team to be great and i'm tired of the low expectations and excuses/justifications that keep coming year after year that they miss out on having a winning season.

i made all those excuses myself in the past. i'm tired of losing. i'm pissed about it. get over it.

#2079037 Voth: Rivera is Staying

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 04:08 PM



#2078993 Told ya

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 03:43 PM

That's all I know.

I don't like losing either, but I think a little patience is prudent.

more like a lot of patience and at this point, unfortunately, we don't have much choice.

#2078615 Rivera is staying: Fix the Panthers

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 01:49 PM


Jonathan Jones says on his Twitter that staff shakeup is a possibility.

If so, you could guess it'd be on offense or ST. Not much reason to change the defensive staff.

for me to have any faith in this team going forward, there would have to be.

someone has to be held accountable. changes have to be made because i can't believe that this team is fine with the status quo.

#2078490 Voth: Rivera is Staying

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 01:20 PM

So now we can look forward to fewer of the "chip kelly is so wonderful threads",and "Rivera needs to go" to be replaced with, "Panthers accept mediocrity", "we are going to suck", "lets trade Cam so he can play on a good team" threads...............

Oh Joy..........................

just as bad as "hey! morale victory" "so what if we're not in the playoffs, that team didn't quit on their coach in december" "well, at least we stayed competitive" or "we'll get them next year!"

#2078421 Voth: Rivera is Staying

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 01:06 PM

Why don't u shut me up? If you are so unhappy with the team and all the moves made you just need to either stop crying or find another team. No need to let something as meaningless as a football team ruin your life.

hey, you're the chump telling people what to do. you don't like someone doing it to you? quit doing it yourself. it's that easy.

you got no right to tell people how to root for their team anymore than i do telling you to quit having such low standards and expectations for "your team".

#2078391 Voth: Rivera is Staying

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 12:59 PM

In fairness, if you don't give Cam and RR 3 yrs....you simply won't know what you could have.

RR is like Cam...growing. You don't want to do the initial work on your watch and let him bloom elsewhere.

Must make postseason next year regardless of injury

that better be the case.

#2078374 Voth: Rivera is Staying

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 12:55 PM

U losers talking about jumping ship - do us a favor and find another team to pull for ASAP.

Go root for the steelers or cowboys like the rest of the trashy/ghetto people do

make me.

i can't honestly believe so many just accept or even defend a losing status quo.

"if you don't love our losing team, go find some other team"


#2078367 Voth: Rivera is Staying

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 12:54 PM

You guys need to go find another team to root for.

you need to shut your mouth and/or have some higher standards for the team you root for.

#2078341 Voth: Rivera is Staying

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

No GM would come here if they can't find a suitable replacement, perhaps?

Richardson wants to do Rivera a "solid" by giving him a third year, but is putting the nail in the coffin on his career by pairing him with Beane.

This organization is a laughing stock.

hiring beane would be putting a nail in the franchises coffin. you do that and the losing culture remains. it's an acceptance of the status quo.

#2078335 Voth: Rivera is Staying

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

If Beane gets promoted to GM, I have no hope for the future.


hiring beane full time shows that this team is not serious about creating a winning culture. it's admitting that there's nothing wrong with the way things have been going on.

no chance that beane is the best prospect.

hopefully rivera has been told it's playoffs or bust because there's no way he should stay if he produces another non-winning season.

#2078102 Marc Ross' drafting history

Posted by rayzor on 05 January 2013 - 10:20 AM

Ross' reputation as a talent evaluator on this board appears to be based on two things:

- signing Cruz as an undrafted free agent

- successfully acquiring defensive line talent

Overall, his past three draft classes leave much to be desired.

gettleman was in charge of acquiring pro guys.

#2077699 Florio says we're "leaning" towards Dave Gettleman

Posted by rayzor on 04 January 2013 - 09:58 PM

Unless Ross & Perry Fewell are in cahoots.

oooohhh...hadn't thought about that. would not want.

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