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Who's "Elite" on this team honestly

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I was listening to Garcia and Bailey and Frank said Luke is the only elite player on defense. At first I thought he was crazy but other than Luke who's playing lights out on this team. Kk has not been his regular self this year or I'd say him. What about offense is there any elite players outside of Cam either? Why are we so starved for talent this year. 

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2 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

I was listening to Garcia and Bailey and Frank said Luke is the only elite player on defense. At first I thought he was crazy but other than Luke who's playing lights out on this team. Kk has not been his regular self this year or I'd say him. What about offense is there any elite players outside of Cam either? Why are we so starved for talent this year. 

Define "elite" and we can have the discussion.  That word is used FAR too much in sports these days.

Top 5 at your position?  Top 10?

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Cam & Luke thats about fuging it and they got drafted top 10 we had a chance to add another elite player this year but....

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4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Define "elite" and we can have the discussion.  That word is used FAR too much in sports these days.

Top 5 at your position?  Top 10?

Top 5 so this year, that is only Luke. But others have played at elite levels before Cam, KK, Olsen, TD, Turner

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6 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Define "elite" and we can have the discussion.  That word is used FAR too much in sports these days.

Top 5 at your position?  Top 10?

Top 5. 

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Elite players are exceedingly rare, so only have a few or a couple is not that big of a deal.  In 2015, we really only had two, (or maybe 3 if you count Thomas Davis) on defense, and only one on offense.  For the rest of the positions, you have to just get guys who are good or at least average (by nfl standards) at their job.  

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Just now, Davidson Deac II said:

Elite players are exceedingly rare, so only have a few or a couple is not that big of a deal.  In 2015, we really only had two, (or maybe 3 if you count Thomas Davis) on defense, and only one on offense.  For the rest of the positions, you have to just get guys who are good or at least average (by nfl standards) at their job.  

I would say having few but one in each key position such as Dline, LB, and DBs. So one elite saftey, lb, and DE would be doable. 

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4 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

I would say having few but one in each key position such as Dline, LB, and DBs. So one elite saftey, lb, and DE would be doable. 

This is not Madden.

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26 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Top 5 so this year, that is only Luke. But others have played at elite levels before Cam, KK, Olsen, TD, Turner

This.

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25 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Top 5. 

Kalil - When healthy

Olsen - When healthy 

Luke - When healthy

KK

Star

Turner

 

 

Cam - Streaky player, some games "elite" others not so much....but he's certainly in the top 10 IMO.  Norwell is in and out of this group as well.

 

 

Those up top are certainly in the top 5 at their positions when healthy, Cam bounces in and out of the top 5 at his position, and Davis would usually be up there...and I could make the case for him now, but his best days are far behind him.

 

 

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The draft, free agency, and the waiver system is designed to provide parity throughout the league.

There are roughly 12 every-down positions (QB, WR, TE, G, T, C, RB, DE, DT, LB, CB, S).  If only top 5 are elite, then about 60 players are elite.  Dividing these up among 32 teams leave slightly less than 2 per team.  We have Luke and probably Olsen.  Ryan Kalil, Trai Turner, and KK are probably outside looking in.

We can expand the list by saying there are also 5 elite MLBs separate from regular LBs, 5 elite Nickles, 5 elite slot receivers, 5 elite fullbacks, 5 elite strong safeties, 5 elite nose tackles, etc.  This may get Short into the conversation.

The strength of our team is not the individuals, but the meshing and leadership of the talent we have. Anyone thinking a first rounder should automatically be elite, or that we should have 7-8 elite players on the team are in la-la land.

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21 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

I would say having few but one in each key position such as Dline, LB, and DBs. So one elite saftey, lb, and DE would be doable. 

doable perhaps, but unlikely.  And sometimes, having better players around them makes someone who is not elite, look elite. 

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