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Shocking defensive statistic quoted by ESPN's Barnwell

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25249578/2018-nfl-nfc-playoff-race-bill-barnwell-makes-sense-mess-week-10

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The Panthers have flipped. Since Ron Rivera's squad had its breakout season in 2013, the Panthers have been a team built more upon its defense than its offense. They've placed higher in the win expectancy rankings in defense than on offense four out of the past five seasons. The exception is their 15-1 season in 2015, when Carolina was great at everything and ranked second in WPA on offense and third in defensive WPA.

After a 51-21 shellacking at the hands of the Steelers on Thursday night, though, the Panthers find themselves in unfamiliar territory. Carolina is 10th in the league in offensive WPA and a middling 18th on defense. DVOA hasn't yet been calculated for Week 10, but the Panthers were fifth on offense and 14th in defense heading into the Steelers game, and it's safe to say that the Football Outsiders' algorithm isn't going to look kindly upon their efforts against Pittsburgh. Right now, this is a team built around Cam Newton and Christian McCaffrey, not Luke Kuechly and Kawann Short.

I have two pieces of good news for Panthers fans. One is that you don't have to play the Steelers again until 2022. (Their previous encounter was in 2014, when Steelers beat the Panthers 37-19 in a game in which both Le'Veon Bell and LeGarrette Blount topped 115 rushing yards. JuJu Smith-Schuster was an 18-year-old freshman at USC at the time.)

The other is that Carolina's biggest defensive problem is likely to clear up. The Panthers are allowing teams to score an average of 6.0 points per red zone trip, the second-highest average in the league. Only Tampa has been worse in the red zone.

 

 

But then there is this when he follows up the stat highlighted above:

 

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Bad defenses tend to allow a lot of red zone trips and plenty of points when offenses get to the promised land, but the Panthers are a good defense with a red zone problem. Carolina is allowing teams an average of only 2.7 red zone possessions per game, the fourth-best mark in the league.

 

I'm not so sure that's true either.

I don't think we're a "good defense with a red zone problem", I think we're closer to being a "mediocre defense with a red zone problem".

 

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Pass rush is the biggest problem with the Panthers defense. If they can get that straightened out the defense could improve quickly.

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1 minute ago, hepcat said:

Pass rush is the biggest problem with the Panthers defense. If they can get that straightened out the defense will improve quickly.

FIFY. 

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the league hates us so much they allow teams to hold our front four. teams hardly get a holding call when they play us. it's all rigged.

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Been saying it forever. Rivera doesn’t know how to adjust to leaning on an offense to win games and that combined with the past drafts focusing on offense his defense is suffering and he doesn’t know what to do.

Norv should help which is why we’re are 6-3 but while we have invested in weapons our money is invested in a line that doesn’t get pressures as well as players who are injury prone or just rode the bench (Kalil brothers).

Ron has to adjust with Norv and the upstairs has to do a better job allocating the cap money in resigning and FA.

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44 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Pass rush is the biggest problem with the Panthers defense. If they can get that straightened out the defense could improve quickly.

No doubt which is why I prayed we would get someone before the trade deadline like Campbell, or someone who has success rushing the QB. I just don't see us fixing that problem this year. Worse fact is that it take three years to groom a new DE. I think we may be f*cked for a few years on D.

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52 minutes ago, RumHam said:

the league hates us so much they allow teams to hold our front four. teams hardly get a holding call when they play us. it's all rigged.

Rigged and we have made the playoffs 4 out of the last five years... 

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That red zone-trips-per-game statistic neglects to point out that teams don’t need to get to the red zone to score against Carolina. They are a bit vulnerable to the big play, to put it mildly. 

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Is it the defense or is it the DC? We basically have the same defense we had last year with a couple exceptions. If Ron hasn’t taken a bigger role in what defenses will be called Sunday he’s not to worried about his job.

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They have gotten worse since the superbowl run clearly. It should have been extremely evident after last season and it doesn't seem like there was any sort of careful evaluation involved to fix issuse. What was the best thing we did? Promote another position coach with no experience as a coordinator. The regression has shown clearly over the last 2 seasons, thats on the head coach. 

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2 hours ago, hepcat said:

Pass rush is the biggest problem with the Panthers defense. If they can get that straightened out the defense could improve quickly.

I don't think it's a pass rush problem. Teams regularly spread us out and throw quick passes to negate our rush and blitzes. I would say it's more soft coverage and missed tackling. Something that stems from poor coaching. Dink and dunk has killed us this year. 

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1 hour ago, Still Brooklyn said:

A DC can't make tackles ... DBs do what they are told.

Guys, it's okay to blame both. Doesn't make you less of a fan.

Stupid post. DCs set the tone for talking and actually hold players accountable for poor tackling. 

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soft zones only work if your team is a bunch of swarming aggressive ballhawks who will come up and hit a receiver or RB on a short catch and keep it short. if you miss tackles, then you're done. you lose. the entirety of our team except Peppers, Reid, Jackson, and TD are whiffing tackles.

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1 minute ago, rodeo said:

soft zones only work if your team is a bunch of swarming aggressive ballhawks who will come up and hit a receiver or RB on a short catch and keep it short. if you miss tackles, then you're done. you lose. the entirety of our team except Peppers, Reid, and TD are whiffing tackles.

Jackson? Luke? Also Reid has missed his share of tackles trying to blow people up. 

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