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Jeremy Igo

Eagles looking to trade Foles. Would you want him?

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45 minutes ago, Wolfpack352 said:

No...he gonna get paid as a starter somewhere else....probably the Bills.

Ummmmm, the Bills have their QB I think.  Allen started played pretty doggone well towards the end of the season.  You dont cut and run from your first round pick QB after one semi decent season.

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I don’t think there is any way the Panthers could afford Foles.  He is also more than what we need.  Foles is going to be a starter somewhere, and not just a “hold the reins until the starter gets back” guy.  He is going to get paid as such, either by the current contract terms or something similar.

The only way Foles makes any sense at all is if it is a foregone conclusion Cam is done with the Panthers after 2020.  Foles’ cap hit would force too many compromises elsewhere on the roster, which is not without other more identifiable needs. 

We could wind up like the Packers or Colts (Manning era) where so much cap space is tied up in one position we can't afford to address other needs.  I guess the bright side is we would have depth at the QB position.

On the subject of identifiable needs, if the OL issues are not addressed, it probably doesn’t matter who is back there.  In fact, I might argue that the Panthers would need to treat the QB position like baseball teams treat pitching staffs, complete with a bullpen of guys you can trot in when the starter has had enough or can’t continue.

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 This thread cracks me up.... you can’t trade for foles. His contract voids Mid February.

he will be a free agent. Eagles would be wise to offer an extension immediately after the 2018 season, and begin to plan their departure of Wentz.

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I read somewhere that the Eagles declined an offer on Foles this year for a 2nd round pick....why would they be willing to accept a mid-rounder now?

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4 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

 This thread cracks me up.... you can’t trade for foles. His contract voids Mid February.

he will be a free agent. Eagles would be wise to offer an extension immediately after the 2018 season, and begin to plan their departure of Wentz.

I think it was a hypothetical, not an expectation.

I read something yesterday about the hand-wringing going on in Philly about what to do and how to do it on the Wentz vs. Foles debate.  I don't think they are going to pony up the $20M or so his current contract would call for, and I am also not convinced they are not thinking of moving Wentz and keeping Foles.

The only way they would take a mid-round pick for him in this whole fiasco is if it were accompanied by several significant players.  So the direct answer to the original question might be, would you trade a mid-round pick and maybe gut the roster elsewhere for Foles?  Not sure what the Eagles needs are or whether we have anything that might meet any of them, but it would be more than a mid-round pick.

Given our situation with Cam, the salary cap, other needs, and Foles' contract nuances (or the need to negotiate one) even if it were just a mid-round pick I'd pass. 

BTW, if it is not a hypothetical, we are sounding like the NYC and Philly sports talk stations I hear when I am on business travel, where people call in and say things like "Giants fan here, I think we should trade our fifth round draft choice and backup OLB for Mahomes."  Sure you should, but that is going to involve pouring a lot of booze into a lot of people in the KC organization.

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How well does Foles do with pressure in his face and getting hit all the time?  Also, his best years have been in Philly?  

Looking at what happened outside of Philly, it doesn't look great.  It seems like he has done his best work there.  What if we have to give up a good contract to him, but he tanks because he's a Philly guy?

Does he have traits that would work for us?  I just don't see that from him.  No matter the size of his member, I just think that he's not a good fit for us.

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8 minutes ago, d-dave said:

How well does Foles do with pressure in his face and getting hit all the time?  Also, his best years have been in Philly?  

Looking at what happened outside of Philly, it doesn't look great.  It seems like he has done his best work there.  What if we have to give up a good contract to him, but he tanks because he's a Philly guy?

Does he have traits that would work for us?  I just don't see that from him.  No matter the size of his member, I just think that he's not a good fit for us.

Again, most coaches can’t adjust to their players, can’t think outside the box and think situational football. That’s why most coaches don’t win Superbowls.

Pederson, Wade Phillips, Sean Payton and a Short list of others, Belicheck of course the GOAT all can and do.

when Foles looked “bad” he was with a bad team under Fisher that couldn’t adjust to anything, let alone adjust their scheme to the quarterback.

Pederson adjusted their in game play calls, personnel groupings etc to Wentz and then Foles who are both very different quarterbacks.

Norv has shown with Cam he can and does adjust— had CMac be a primary pass catcher and then carry the rock on different games— he adjusted to 2 very different quarterbacks— healthy Cam and broken shoulder Cam,..

so yes Foles would look great in Carolina.

actually although I prefer Foles by far for durability and clutch play and xfactor, Wentz would do nicely in Carolina too— I’ve always liked Wentz— he plays with reckless abandon and makes good decisions with the football.

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1 minute ago, JARROD said:

Again, most coaches can’t adjust to their players, can’t think outside the box and think situational football. That’s why most coaches don’t win Superbowls.

Pederson, Wade Phillips, Sean Payton and a Short list of others, Belicheck of course the GOAT all can and do.

when Foles looked “bad” he was with a bad team under Fisher that couldn’t adjust to anything, let alone adjust their scheme to the quarterback.

Pederson adjusted their in game play calls, personnel groupings etc to Wentz and then Foles who are both very different quarterbacks.

Norv has shown with Cam he can and does adjust— had CMac be a primary pass catcher and then carry the rock on different games— he adjusted to 2 very different quarterbacks— healthy Cam and broken shoulder Cam,..

so yes Foles would look great in Carolina.

So given our cash strapped cap, how much would you be willing to spend on Foles?  I support my team, whoever is on it so it doesn't matter to much to me at this point.  If Foles is an upgrade, then he's an upgrade.

I do think someone without a QB is going to throw $20+ million a year at Foles.  Can the Panthers afford to compete at that price point?  What do we have to cut in order to make it work, 2 $20M+ QBs on the roster?

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1 minute ago, d-dave said:

So given our cash strapped cap, how much would you be willing to spend on Foles?  I support my team, whoever is on it so it doesn't matter to much to me at this point.  If Foles is an upgrade, then he's an upgrade.

I do think someone without a QB is going to throw $20+ million a year at Foles.  Can the Panthers afford to compete at that price point?  What do we have to cut in order to make it work, 2 $20M+ QBs on the roster?

As I said, Wentz would make a lot more sense and be a lot more realistic. He’s on his rookie contract still, and still has to opt for his 5th year option.

the Eagles will stick to their first round pick and continue to say they are trading Foles and all that— but if Foles honestly gets that team past the Saints even magically, how could they not keep him. He’s got the locker room and the resume.

Wentz makes more sense for us— he’s way better than anything we could draft.

 

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No.

He's going to make an arm and a leg...undeservedly, but it's going to happen.

Only way to entertain this is if Cam is done, and that's not the direction I would like to see us go, nor do I think that's the case.

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1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

No.

He's going to make an arm and a leg...undeservedly, but it's going to happen.

Only way to entertain this is if Cam is done, and that's not the direction I would like to see us go, nor do I think that's the case.

Undeservedly? How many playoff games and superbowls does the guy have to do to get respect. There’s guys out there that don’t do squat and have never won a playoff game that get more respect than Foles does.

we can’t afford him for sure— but I think there would be a reasonable discussion about Wentz, who is on his rookie contract and is a good quarterback— 

if Wentz came in and played good, and has to play next year, but Cam comes back 100% then you have a great problem— a bunch of draft picks for one of them.

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15 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Undeservedly? How many playoff games and superbowls does the guy have to do to get respect. There’s guys out there that don’t do squat and have never won a playoff game that get more respect than Foles does.

we can’t afford him for sure— but I think there would be a reasonable discussion about Wentz, who is on his rookie contract and is a good quarterback— 

if Wentz came in and played good, and has to play next year, but Cam comes back 100% then you have a great problem— a bunch of draft picks for one of them.

1:  Never trade for a QB coming out of Andy Reid's/Doug P's system.  Never.

2:  As for Wentz, go back and look at no. 1.

3:  Cam and Wentz and a wealth of picks?  How many picks would it take to get Wentz in the first place?  Two 1's?  More?

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1 hour ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I think it was a hypothetical, not an expectation.

I read something yesterday about the hand-wringing going on in Philly about what to do and how to do it on the Wentz vs. Foles debate.  I don't think they are going to pony up the $20M or so his current contract would call for, and I am also not convinced they are not thinking of moving Wentz and keeping Foles.

The only way they would take a mid-round pick for him in this whole fiasco is if it were accompanied by several significant players.  So the direct answer to the original question might be, would you trade a mid-round pick and maybe gut the roster elsewhere for Foles?  Not sure what the Eagles needs are or whether we have anything that might meet any of them, but it would be more than a mid-round pick.

Given our situation with Cam, the salary cap, other needs, and Foles' contract nuances (or the need to negotiate one) even if it were just a mid-round pick I'd pass. 

BTW, if it is not a hypothetical, we are sounding like the NYC and Philly sports talk stations I hear when I am on business travel, where people call in and say things like "Giants fan here, I think we should trade our fifth round draft choice and backup OLB for Mahomes."  Sure you should, but that is going to involve pouring a lot of booze into a lot of people in the KC organization.

The thread should be “would you sign foles” not trade. The only way anyone could trade for him is that the deal happens between now and mid February. He is going to be a free agent the 3rd week feb. even that, they would have to completely restructure his contract.

might as well go with the hypothetical trade for Rodgers or Brady then.

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On 1/6/2019 at 8:10 AM, Jeremy Igo said:

For a mid round draft pick? I'd say yes.

Foles would look great behind our rag-tag offensive line... wouldn’t make it thru 3 games

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On Nick Foles after another win. From Corey G.: “If you’re Eagles GM Howie Roseman, what needs to happen for you to keep Nick Foles?”

Great question. I had an interesting conversation with someone very close to the Eagles situation last week. He said if he were in authority with the Eagles, he’d go to Foles and say, “You’re a different kind of guy. You almost quit football a couple of years ago because it wasn’t fun. Your family means everything. You’re so human. Maybe you should think about being a relief pitcher or part-time starter.” In other words, maybe Howie Roseman and Doug Pederson could convince Foles to be an Eagle for the next two or three years at maybe $15 million per, and let the chips fall where they may with Carson Wentz and his health and the starting job. I thought that was smart. Of all the wannabe starting QBs I’ve met over the years, I think Foles might rather be 1a or 1b in Philadelphia versus the starter on a team he really doesn’t trust to win big.

 

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