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3 minutes ago, rodeo said:

"bush doesn't want to run against a moderate offering normalcy"

*beats moderate gore's ass*

"this time bush REALLY doesn't want to run against a moderate offering normalcy"

*beats moderate john kerry's ass*

"ok now we're really ready for that moderate."

*moderate clinton gets ass beat by left-preaching obama*

"uh oh the left-preaching one is running against a moderate, he's going to lose, people want return to normalcy"

*moderate mccain gets his ass beat*

"ah the ultimate moderate, left-preaching obama has his hands full this time."

*moderate romney gets his ass beat*

"stand aside bernie it's moderate clinton's turn again"

*moderate clinton gets her ass beat*

"TRUMP WANTS TO FACE BERNIE HE'S AFRAID OF THE MODERATE NORMALCY. THIS TIME PLEASE BELIEVE ME."

You are drawing comparisons that don’t exist in 2020.  

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

You are drawing comparisons that don’t exist in 2020.  

 

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

"TRUMP WANTS TO FACE BERNIE HE'S AFRAID OF THE MODERATE NORMALCY. THIS TIME PLEASE BELIEVE ME."

 

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8 minutes ago, CRA said:

You ain’t flipping those Obama/Trump voters with Bernie.  They have a range they stay in.  Those voters are the election.  

 

Im curious what you think those Obama/trump voters care about in deciding who they vote for?

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13 minutes ago, rodeo said:

the fact that every single candidate to run as a moderate for president has gotten their ass kicked since the 90s says it all. literally no more needs to be said about it.

Well, again, those elections didn’t feature a moderate running vs a Trump.   

HW was a moderate 

Clinton was a moderate 

Obama was a moderate 

Al Gore won the popular and frankly probably won the electoral in reality but Republicans have always been better in the dumpster. 

and by today’s standards Dubya was a moderate 

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11 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well, again, those elections didn’t feature a moderate running vs a Trump.   

HW was a moderate 

Clinton was a moderate 

Obama was a moderate 

Al Gore won the popular and frankly probably won the electoral in reality but Republicans have always been better in the dumpster. 

and by today’s standards Dubya was a moderate 

Obama was a moderate but he did not run as a moderate. he ran as hope and change and progressive policy. you forget he actually championed universal healthcare until he got into office and retreated to 'public option' then retreated even farther to 'actually romney can write it idc'

W was not a moderate nor did he run as one, he ran as a conservative evangelical.

the farther out choice, be it left or right, always wins for President because you cannot energize voters with moderate policy.

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10 minutes ago, rodeo said:

Obama was a moderate but he did not run as a moderate. he ran as hope and change and progressive policy. you forget he actually championed universal healthcare until he got into office and retreated to 'public option' then retreated even farther to 'actually romney can write it idc'

W was not a moderate nor did he run as one, he ran as a conservative evangelical.

the farther out choice, be it left or right, always wins for President because you cannot energize voters with moderate policy.

Yeah one of the controversies in 2008 was how Obama had made past statements in support of single payer healthcare.  It was one piece of the discussion around his "radical socialist" agenda.  Hell his connections to Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright should have done him in if we're so worried about the sensibilities of conservative white people.

There's ample evidence for the concept you're talking about, especially recently.  Let's consider 2008 - you had the "radical" wet-behind-the-ears populist running on big ideas against a stalwart, highly respected Republican.  The old reliable known quantity caught a beatdown and the Democrats won states like Indiana and North Carolina for the first time since Jimmy Carter.  It happened again in 2016 when Trump beat Clinton.

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if you allow the party to fix the nomination without consequence then you are, on some level, satisfied with a candidate like mayo pete. i will not vote for anyone but bernie in november.

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2 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

if you allow the party to fix the nomination without consequence then you are, on some level, satisfied with a candidate like mayo pete. i will not vote for anyone but bernie in november.

this bullshit is hella egregious smh 

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the party is attempting to force through a racist who polls at about 0% with black voters. this is political suicide. they are actively trying to re-elect trump. i cannot support the democratic party in their effort to grant trump 4 more years. i will only vote for bernie in november.

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i just can't get over how people like @Paa Langfart literally just today was whining about russian election interference but is all too happy to let proven, irrefutable proof that the iowa caucus was incorrect, because it benefits his preferred candidate.

everything they've been saying for 3 years was a lie, it was sour grapes over losing, not concern over election integrity. who would have thought that donald trump jr. of all people had the @CRAs and @Harbingers types pegged.

pete buttigieg = donald trump. they have the same morals and same election rigging.

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so is the party dumb enough to believe that running a racist “fiscal hawk” is a winning strategy? after what trump did to the racist “fiscal hawks” in his own party in 2016? no. they know exactly what they’re doing. they’re choosing 4 more years of trump over bernie sanders. fug them.

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Again, this is so fascinating. Dems calling other dems racist. Dems claiming other demes lied and cheated to fix an election.

It's like I'm taking crazy pills. Did I slip into an alternate reality somehow?

confused steve brule GIF

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8 minutes ago, rodeo said:

i just can't get over how people like @Paa Langfart literally just today was whining about russian election interference but is all too happy to let proven, irrefutable proof that the iowa caucus was incorrect, because it benefits his preferred candidate.

everything they've been saying for 3 years was a lie, it was sour grapes over losing, not concern over election integrity. who would have thought that donald trump jr. of all people had the @CRAs and @Harbingers types pegged.

pete buttigieg = donald trump. they have the same morals and same election rigging.

I appreciate your misplaced guilt and misunderstand but it generally has nothing to do with the topic my dude. You are better than this. 

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37 minutes ago, rodeo said:

Obama was a moderate but he did not run as a moderate. he ran as hope and change and progressive policy. you forget he actually championed universal healthcare until he got into office and retreated to 'public option' then retreated even farther to 'actually romney can write it idc'

W was not a moderate nor did he run as one, he ran as a conservative evangelical.

the farther out choice, be it left or right, always wins for President because you cannot energize voters with moderate policy.

I noted Dubya distinctly last and different won’t the tag....by today’s standard he too would be a moderate. 

And that is because nothing compares to 2020. 2020 has less to do with traditional left and right politics than it does....an authoritarian path vs American Democracy.  That is the reality of what 2020 is.  

I mean we can go back and talk about baby steps and trends but 2020 is a unique vote that doesn’t compare.  

all the rest were moderates.  Hope and change didn’t make Obama not a moderate.  Nor does one policy stance.  And keep in mind I actually voted for Obama over that Palin ticket. 

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1 hour ago, TheRumGone said:

Im curious what you think those Obama/trump voters care about in deciding who they vote for?

the perceived lesser of two evils. They decide every election.  They aren’t bound to parties.  

 

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