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On ‎7‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 2:56 PM, Harbingers said:

So the Muslim isn’t a Muslim? To practice that faith you have to believe in sharia law.

I'm not the unbelievably ignorant one that said this.

I didn't think I needed to say it but it's the equivalent of saying all Catholics believe that use of condoms is against god's word. It's one aspect that doesn't mean they endorse every aspect. Why is this hard for you?

Believing or practicing one aspect (wearing a hijab) does not equal endorsement of every aspect of any religion. It's a simple concept that you are consistently failing to grasp. Therefore it's jaw droppingly ignorant. But post all you want about the different aspects. You're desperately trying to justify you saying something stupid. Please continue.

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42 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

I'm not the unbelievably ignorant one that said this.

I didn't think I needed to say it but it's the equivalent of saying all Catholics believe that use of condoms is against god's word. It's one aspect that doesn't mean they endorse every aspect. Why is this hard for you?

Believing or practicing one aspect (wearing a hijab) does not equal endorsement of every aspect of any religion. It's a simple concept that you are consistently failing to grasp. Therefore it's jaw droppingly ignorant. But post all you want about the different aspects. You're desperately trying to justify you saying something stupid. Please continue.

Your still not understanding what sharia is. I said to practice Muslim faith you must believe in Sharia. I’m not talking about fiqh, or how the west has twisted sharia. I’m not talking about Islamic states that also twisted the meaning through fiqh. How are you not getting it?

“The term Sharia comes from an Arabic word meaning “path to the water,” which reflects the concept that Sharia is divine guidance drawn mainly from the Qur’an and Sunnah (teachings and guidance of Prophet Muhammad) for the purpose of helping humanity draw close to God and live in kindness and justice with His Creation. The term Sharia is used by Muslims to refer to the values, code of conduct, and religious commandments or sacred laws which provide them with guidance in various aspects of life.

 

While Sharia is often translated as “Islamic law,” a more accurate term for “Islamic law” in Arabic is fiqh which refers to the human endeavor to interpret and apply Sharia.”

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8 hours ago, Verge said:

If you don't understand how telling people of color to go back to their country is racist, I don't know that we can point out to you how it is in fact, racist. 

Imagine for a second if Mitt Romney had told Obama to go back to Kenya during the 2012 election, how would you have perceived that? 

If Bill Clinton had told Condoleeza Rice to go back to her country if she wants to fix things? 

 

tell people of color... again, the color of their skin dont matter... except to the left.. and again the squad said... remember when you talk to us, we are people of color... why ? does that grant them special status or something ? no, they are racist just like most of the left is … its just more of the same...  if you dont agree with me your against me and racist … 

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5 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Your still not understanding what sharia is. I said to practice Muslim faith you must believe in Sharia. I’m not talking about fiqh, or how the west has twisted sharia. I’m not talking about Islamic states that also twisted the meaning through fiqh. How are you not getting it?

“The term Sharia comes from an Arabic word meaning “path to the water,” which reflects the concept that Sharia is divine guidance drawn mainly from the Qur’an and Sunnah (teachings and guidance of Prophet Muhammad) for the purpose of helping humanity draw close to God and live in kindness and justice with His Creation. The term Sharia is used by Muslims to refer to the values, code of conduct, and religious commandments or sacred laws which provide them with guidance in various aspects of life. 

 

While Sharia is often translated as “Islamic law,” a more accurate term for “Islamic law” in Arabic is fiqh which refers to the human endeavor to interpret and apply Sharia.”

Here's the beauty of your cut and paste job from ing.org and you STILL not understanding what you said.

Here is literally the next sentence after what you quoted:

"But most Muslims follow Sharia in the same way that people of other faiths follow their sacred laws and traditions. The religion clauses of the First Amendment of the Constitution allow complete freedom of belief and freedom of religious practice, so long as adherents respect other people’s rights. America Muslims are merely trying to follow Sharia in their personal life just as practicing Jews try to follow Jewish law (halakha)."

So, in other words, one does not have to ascribe to or advocate for ALL the aspects of Sharia, of which fiqh is a part, in order to wear the hijab. You're trying to make a point that doesn't exist in an effort to explain away the ignorant thing you said. "To practice that faith you have to believe in sharia law." When confronted (again) with your own quote, do you interpret what you're saying, and more importantly, your defense of the meme, that wearing the hijab is evidence that the congresswoman believes all of Sharia Law?

Again, practicing an aspect of Sharia Law doesn't mean you believe in all of Sharia Law, which includes everything you've described (fiqh) and more. I've demonstrated how you're only backtracking now and trying to convince yourself that I don't know what Sharia is and am misinterpreting your asinine statement about wearing a hijab. I'm going to lunch.

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14 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

Here's the beauty of your cut and paste job from ing.org and you STILL not understanding what you said.

Here is literally the next sentence after what you quoted:

"But most Muslims follow Sharia in the same way that people of other faiths follow their sacred laws and traditions. The religion clauses of the First Amendment of the Constitution allow complete freedom of belief and freedom of religious practice, so long as adherents respect other people’s rights. America Muslims are merely trying to follow Sharia in their personal life just as practicing Jews try to follow Jewish law (halakha)."

So, in other words, one does not have to ascribe to or advocate for ALL the aspects of Sharia, of which fiqh is a part, in order to wear the hijab. You're trying to make a point that doesn't exist in an effort to explain away the ignorant thing you said. "To practice that faith you have to believe in sharia law." When confronted (again) with your own quote, do you interpret what you're saying, and more importantly, your defense of the meme, that wearing the hijab is evidence that the congresswoman believes all of Sharia Law?

Again, practicing an aspect of Sharia Law doesn't mean you believe in all of Sharia Law, which includes everything you've described (fiqh) and more. I've demonstrated how you're only backtracking now and trying to convince yourself that I don't know what Sharia is and am misinterpreting your asinine statement about wearing a hijab. I'm going to lunch.

Please tell me where I ever said all? Because I don’t ever recall using the word all in this instance & context. You only assumed that’s what I meant. 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, retired said:

remember when you talk to us, we are people of color... why ? does that grant them special status or something ?

in the US it grants them minority and unequal status.  Hence the statement - they want equal status not special status.

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I think it's hard hitting...but I dont see what is actually racist about it. However Trumps mistake was not doing his homework on the origins of all of those women.  It's obvious that these comments were pointed at the Congress woman from Ethiopia. He should have just singled her out instead of making it plural. 

Most white people have a difficult time discerning a racist comment from just another verbal swipe. I don't blame the individual as much for that as I do a society and education system that has yet to embrace honest discussions about race. That being said, the "go back where you came from" comment is as old as this country is and if you don't understand how it is racist, then simply ask someone of color and have an honest discussion about it and educate yourself.

Ihlan Omar was born in Somalia, not Ethiopia. Her family fled the civil war violence in Somalia and lived in a Kenya refugee camp for 4 years. Along with her family, she moved to NY in 1992 and it took 3 years before her family was granted asylum in 1995.  She became a citizen in 2000. If you don't believe she is probably one of the foremost authorities on asylum, refugees and having to flee your home country because of the violence, again, it's an opportunity to learn something.

You're better than that Maul.

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1 hour ago, retired said:

tell people of color... again, the color of their skin dont matter... except to the left.. and again the squad said... remember when you talk to us, we are people of color... why ? does that grant them special status or something ? no, they are racist just like most of the left is … its just more of the same...  if you dont agree with me your against me and racist … 

Just shut the fug up and go away, Klansman.

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1 hour ago, Harbingers said:

Please tell me where I ever said all? Because I don’t ever recall using the word all in this instance & context. You only assumed that’s what I meant. 

lol your backtrack is complete.

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1 minute ago, Moorgan said:

lol your backtrack is complete.

Go back and look, tell me did I say anything about “All of Sharia Law?”

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1 hour ago, retired said:

tell people of color... again, the color of their skin dont matter... except to the left.. and again the squad said... remember when you talk to us, we are people of color... why ? does that grant them special status or something ? no, they are racist just like most of the left is … its just more of the same...  if you dont agree with me your against me and racist … 

What are you babbling about now questie?

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@Harbingers So let me get this straight. Your contention is that the meme says they want Sharia Law (not part of it but Sharia Law). And you say that one is a Muslim and she wants Sharia Law. Further, you say that she wears a hijab and therefore practices Sharia Law because "to practice that faith you have to believe in sharia law".

And now you're saying that you didn't mean ALL of sharia law because you didn't say ALL of sharia law? What part did you mean that she wants? Were you just quietly commenting that sharia law isn't what everyone thinks but also saying the meme is correct?

Or did you say something stupid and now are backtracking? Be honest. It's all right there on pages 1 and 3. You're defending the meme saying she wants sharia law and your "proof" is that she wears a hijab and she's Muslim and therefore all Muslims want sharia law but now you're only saying that you meant SOME of sharia law because you didn't say ALL of sharia law? Seriously?

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2 hours ago, Anybodyhome said:

Most white people have a difficult time discerning a racist comment from just another verbal swipe. I don't blame the individual as much for that as I do a society and education system that has yet to embrace honest discussions about race. That being said, the "go back where you came from" comment is as old as this country is and if you don't understand how it is racist, then simply ask someone of color and have an honest discussion about it and educate yourself.

Ihlan Omar was born in Somalia, not Ethiopia. Her family fled the civil war violence in Somalia and lived in a Kenya refugee camp for 4 years. Along with her family, she moved to NY in 1992 and it took 3 years before her family was granted asylum in 1995.  She became a citizen in 2000. If you don't believe she is probably one of the foremost authorities on asylum, refugees and having to flee your home country because of the violence, again, it's an opportunity to learn something.

You're better than that Maul.

I definitely understand the go back to where you came from line as it relates systemic racism towards blacks that were brought over here on slave ships. Black people didn't ask for asylum...they did not flee their country to get here. They were brought over here against their will. Tortured. Abused. Separated from their families, and breeded. It is awful. I've heard racist hillbillies and Yankees say go back to Africa and that's awful and very racist in that context.

I do believe this context is different. When there is someone (Omar) who seeks asylum in this country..and they've been afforded great opportunity...which she has. Then you would think there would be a little more appreciation for the country ( by country I dont mean white people)that allowed her and her family asylum. It allowed her family to escape a grim fate.  It doesnt mean she has no voice or cant voice her opinion to improve our system. But to systematically hate on the country that brought you in and gave you a future seems peculiar and ill-advised.

See Omar can play this race card. The truth is....it wouldnt matter where the person came from. The same line in proper context would be said to a white South African man who said the same things.

If anything people with non white ethnicities are protected politically from a lot of criticisms. 

This group of congresswomen are using race as a cover and a shield. Weve seen this with Pelosi. If Pelosi was Hispanic and made her criticisms we would have not have heard AOC play the race card. Even her own party spoke out against that.

I do have a problem when you cant criticize someone without being referred to as a racist. Equality is when were all criticized and rewarded in the same fashion.

If you spent any real time with me you would see I'm very open minded. Open hearted. Non judgemental and caring. You will see me talk and care about anyone.

I understand that a lot of people are trying get to the U.S to find a better life. As would I...if I was in a desperate position. 

There are a lot of people who are heartless towards immigrants and only see them as a drain on the system. I am not one of them. However I do see the hypocrisy that Congress is operating by. There has been a lack of funding towards border patrol voted against by congress that has exacerbated some of the crowding issue. Also there is no fluid path to citizenship. Another congressional issue.  I do not get mad at Americans who are struggling themselves for being frustrated at being forced to subsidize others that dont carry their weight in taxes. I understand that frustration. Also I do not get mad or hate illegals for trying to find a better life. There needs to be a balance here that there isnt. There is no middle ground anymore as everything now in politics appears to be two extremes.

 

 

 

 

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