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A little perspective on Allen

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5 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

The team won those games. He’s been decent, but let’s stop it like the defense and CMC hasn’t carried him. He almost gave the game away last game. 

 

    But he did not give the game away. We did win right? He is 3-0 this year. Does it really matter how? Are we now keeping style points?

 

    You know, we can root for Kyle, and still love Cam? Right? 

 

    

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16 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

The team won those games. He’s been decent, but let’s stop it like the defense and CMC hasn’t carried him. He almost gave the game away last game. 

Of course the team won those games, the team always wins or loses. We seem to forget that sometimes around here. 

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12 hours ago, KaseKlosed said:

I believe Allen tells it like it is. He gives credit to cmc and the defense.  He is lucky he hasnt lost all those fumbles and for them to be converted into touchdowns. He is playing avg. He is not lighting any defense up except for poor Arizona who just got their first win sunday.  We love to over hype our guys but realistically these wins fall on Defense, OL, CMC. Period. 

Really? Please remind everyone what happened in the first 2 games. 

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I bet money on the team and have thousands to gain if we win it all.  I want that money really badly and the only way for that to happen is to keep winning, if something works don’t fix it. 

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13 hours ago, KaseKlosed said:

I believe Allen tells it like it is. He gives credit to cmc and the defense.  He is lucky he hasnt lost all those fumbles and for them to be converted into touchdowns. He is playing avg. He is not lighting any defense up except for poor Arizona who just got their first win sunday.  We love to over hype our guys but realistically these wins fall on Defense, OL, CMC. Period. 

Allen knows that mac is our best player and the new face of our franchise

and he is more than OK with that

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Imagine he was our first round draft pick this year and compare him against the other 1st round QBs playing right now. We'd still be happy just looking at the win totals since he came in.

 

(And like I said before, this isn't meant to be a slam on Cam at all. It's also not meant to be a slam on Grier, who could potentially also play lights out if he got the chance -- we just don't know.)

 

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20 hours ago, mc52beast said:

No doubt that Allen has surprised everyone here but when you attempt to put him in the same class as a healthy Cam you’re going to far.

Don't compare him to Cam, no one can compare to Cam -- the guy has skills and abilities that no other QB has ever had. Compare Allen's performance to other first and second year QBs in the league playing right now.

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20 hours ago, Go DJ that's my DJ said:

But In reality we wasted our 3rd round pick on a Bust QB so...

So five games into his rookie year he is a bust?  We all know teams expect immediate impact from a late third rounder.

 

Come on.

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10 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Imagine he was our first round draft pick this year and compare him against the other 1st round QBs playing right now. We'd still be happy just looking at the win totals since he came in.

 

(And like I said before, this isn't meant to be a slam on Cam at all. It's also not meant to be a slam on Grier, who could potentially also play lights out if he got the chance -- we just don't know.)

 

Excellent point.  He was an undrafted free agent and he has been better than many first rounders.  Win win for us

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20 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Right, but if your expectation is that your 2nd year backup qb should be capable of putting the team on his shoulders and carrying the team to victory, you might as well tell the kid to grow a mustache.

You could make a case that he did just that in the Arizona game as a deflated Panthers team came into that game 0-2 after losing their star QB, traveling cross country with the fans and sports writers lamenting the imminent firing of Ron Rivera.

And then this lil dude walks out onto a field as some local boy getting his one last chance to make it in his hometown. Four touchdowns, no interceptions. And we all went wow.

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1 minute ago, Khyber53 said:

You could make a case that he did just that in the Arizona game as a deflated Panthers team came into that game 0-2 after losing their star QB, traveling cross country with the fans and sports writers lamenting the imminent firing of Ron Rivera.

And then this lil dude walks out onto a field as some local boy getting his one last chance to make it in his hometown. Four touchdowns, no interceptions. And we all went wow.

Very true. We can all sit back now and say "Well it's really CMC carrying this team." and that's not wrong, but I don't recall anybody here expecting Allen to throw 4 TD's against the Cards. I know I didn't.

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19 hours ago, Seltzer said:

That is simply not true.  The competition created by having Allen and Grier was and is a good thing for this team.

Even if Grier never ends up playing a meaningful regular season down it was still a good pick. 

We were the only team to have not spend a draft pick on a QB in 8 years.  You cannot perpetually not address depth at the most important position on the team.

Cam was a tank for his first 6 seasons, but his injuries had started to creep up, and it was absolutely necessary.

And to call Will Grier a bust at this point is absurd.  He's a rookie coming from a conference that played spread concepts with little defense to read.  Give him some time.  He was the 100th pick in the draft.

The Redskins drafted Haskins at 15 and are giving him a year to develop on the bench.  Anything we got out of Grier this year was found money.

Also, there was simply too small a sample size to feel confident going into the season with Allen as Cam's only backup.  And now that Cam is hurt, we would have needed a competent 3rd QB anyway, so that alone is validation for the Grier pick.

The Panthers in one offseason went from having arguably the worst backup QB situation in the league to one of the best.  That is a good thing.

 

Preach it!

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Allen's value to the team has been immense.  Regardless of who "really" won the last 3 games, he has been our QB for those wins.

At the very least it looks like we have a great backup.  Still quite early to be sure of anything but I am immensely pleased with him given how young he is and the circumstances.

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18 hours ago, Seltzer said:

 

Ultimately, I think this will prove to be another good draft class by Hurney.  You can nitpick any one draft pick in a vacuum, but if you're going to claim Hurney could have gotten a pick more ready to contribute at 100 (Grier pick), you got to concede that Miller in the 4th and Daley in the 6th look like steals.

Here's where we go off the rails and really set fire to the engine: Hurney has been killing it in version 2.0. And big props to our scouting department.

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23 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

you're welcome to make that case but imo calling his value "immense" is exactly the kind of thing that's driving backlash. is there "immense" value in his individual performance? or is there "immense" value in not having to go wildcat or something when the starter goes down? these are two different things that often get conflated here. you see obviously stupid posts from people who want you to believe that there's a single thing allen does that cam hasn't already proven to do better, that naturally leads to a response, and the person who responds to the stupid post is then cast as a "cam only" fan with an agenda. that's because some of the people attempting to portray themselves as unbiased and above the fray and team first have actually been waiting for this moment since cam was drafted. there's layers to it all and the people trying to stifle discussion or otherwise silence the very valid criticisms of this udfa backup are suspect

What's "driving backlash" (and for the record, backlash against a backup quarterback when were winning games is about as stupid as it can get) is people being scared to death of Newton having competition.

The reality is that whether Newton comes back and establishes himself as the starter again is either going to happen or it isn't.

All the hope in the world isn't going to help it happen. It will or it won't.

And again, all the denial in the world and all the poor analysis posted on a niche message board won't stop him from being replaced if he isn't up to it anymore.

Ultimately, for those of us who are actually Panther fans, what matters most is that we win. Who's playing what position when we do is a very distant second.

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