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I've never had a problem with Marty's drafting overall, and now Tepper has made his opinion know as well. I consider the matter closed. I'm not concerned at all with Marty's drafting.

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26 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

These guys were all acquired with first round picks

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Steve Smith

Greg Olsen 

Kris Jenkins

Josh Norman

Ryan Kalil

Greg Hardy

Evan Mathis (multiple pro bowls)

Charles Johnson

 

Just go the fug away band wagon

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The Hurney Hysteria is all about confirmation bias, and demonstrates how powerful it is

They don't like his haircut, they don't like that he came from a non traditional journalism background.  He didn't have a background as a 'scout' like Gettleman, and doesn't carry the same braggadocious swagger.  

No matter how many great draft picks he produces, they can't get past their confirmation bias, and will continue to cling to the fact he drafted Armanti Edwards (at the 89th pick late in the third round).  Never mind the fact Armanti Edwards actually played 41 games in the NFL, which is about the exact median length of someone chosen 89th.

There's never any logic to these arguments, just people desperately trying to confirm beliefs they already hold.  The final desperation argument goes into his 'win loss record', ignoring the fact he constructed rosters that took a small market expansion team with a terrible owner to 2 separate Super Bowls (both of which we would have won if Fox and Rivera weren't such bad coaches).

 

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Tepper reading this forum, and making decisions based on what he reads here.....

That is a worse fear. 

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Just look at these four consecutive draft classes leading up to Hurney's firing...

2009 NFL Draft[edit]

Round # Pick # Overall pick # Player Position College
2 11 43 Everette Brown Defensive end Florida State
2 27 59 Sherrod Martin Safety Troy
3 29 93 Corvey Irvin Defensive tackle Georgia
4 11 111 Mike Goodson Running back Texas A&M
4 28 128 Tony Fiammetta Fullback Syracuse
5 27 163 Duke Robinson Tackle Oklahoma
7 7 216 Captain Munnerlyn Cornerback South Carolina

2010 NFL Draft[edit]

Round # Pick # Overall pick # Player Position College
2 16 48 Jimmy Clausen Quarterback Notre Dame
3 14 78 Brandon LaFell Wide receiver LSU
3 25 89 Armanti Edwards Quarterback/Wide receiver Appalachian State University
4 26 124 Eric Norwood Linebacker South Carolina
6 6 175 Greg Hardy Defensive end Mississippi
6 29 198 David Gettis Wide receiver Baylor
6 33 202 Jordan Pugh Safety Texas A&M
6 35 204 Tony Pike Quarterback Cincinnati
7 16 223 R.J. Stanford Cornerback Utah
7 42 249 Robert McClain Cornerback Connecticut

2011 NFL Draft[edit]

Round # Pick # Overall pick # Player Position College
1 1 1 Cam Newton Quarterback Auburn
3 1 65 Terrell McClain Defensive tackle South Florida
3 33 97 Sione Fua Defensive tackle Stanford
4 1 98 Brandon Hogan Cornerback West Virginia
5 1 132 Kealoha Pilares Wide receiver Hawaii
6 1 166 Lawrence Wilson Linebacker Connecticut
6 38 203 Zachary Williams Center Washington State
7 41 244 Lee Ziemba Tackle Auburn

2012 NFL Draft[edit]

Round # Pick # Overall pick # Player Position College
1 9 9 Luke Kuechly Linebacker Boston College
2 8 40 Amini Silatolu Guard Midwestern State
4 8 103 Frank Alexander Defensive end Oklahoma
4 9 104 Joe Adams Wide receiver Arkansas
5 8 143 Josh Norman Cornerback Coastal Carolina
6 37 207 Brad Nortman Punter Wisconsin
7 9 216 D.J. Campbell Free safety California

 

I'm counting seven quality players in four years of drafting and one of them was a punter, a position that routinely goes undrafted.

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5 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

The Hurney Hysteria is all about confirmation bias, and demonstrates how powerful it is

They don't like his haircut, they don't like that he came from a non traditional journalism background.  He didn't have a background as a 'scout' like Gettleman, and doesn't carry the same braggadocious swagger.  

No matter how many great draft picks he produces, they can't get past their confirmation bias, and will continue to cling to the fact he drafted Armanti Edwards (at the 89th pick late in the third round).  Never mind the fact Armanti Edwards actually played 41 games in the NFL, which is about the exact median length of someone chosen 89th.

There's never any logic to these arguments, just people desperately trying to confirm beliefs they already hold.  The final desperation argument goes into his 'win loss record', ignoring the fact he constructed rosters that took a small market expansion team with a terrible owner to 2 separate Super Bowls (both of which we would have won if Fox and Rivera weren't such bad coaches).

 

They don't like that fact that he has failed to produce a consistently winning football team over the course of 13 seasons. They don't like the fact that he hasn't assembled a winning NFL roster since 2008. They don't like the fact that he has a losing overall career record.

Go home Marty, you're drunk. Which is what should've been said to him every single year as soon as he turned in the card for his 1st round pick.

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It's funny, even in Hurney's worst drafts used to discredit him, he still chose multiple Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers

Now here are two consecutive Patriots drafts (greatest franchise in sports history, in not only did they not come away with great players, they didn't even get any good depth.

Brandon Meriweather and a kicker are the only two players in these consecutive drafts who did anything for the Patriots.  The rest were busts.  You guys just don't understand the odds with drafts I guess.

ear Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2007 1 Brandon Meriweather 24 DB 2015 0 2 6 33 112                       17 6.0 Miami (FL)
2007 4 Kareem Brown 127 DT 2007 0 0 0 0 1                           Miami (FL)
2007 5 Clint Oldenburg 171 T 2007 0 0 0 0 2                           Colorado St.
2007 6 Justin Rogers 180 LB 2009 0 0 0 2 32                           SMU
2007 6 Mike Richardson 202 DB 2010 0 0 0 2 22                           Notre Dame
2007 6 Justise Hairston 208 RB   0 0 0                               Central Connecticut St.
2007 6 Corey Hilliard 209 T 2014 0 0 0 9 47                           Oklahoma St.
2007 7 Oscar Lua 211 LB   0 0 0                               USC
2007 7 Mike Elgin 247 G   0 0 0                               Iowa
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2006 1 Laurence Maroney 21 RB 2010 0 0 0 26 49           618 2504 21 44 459 1     Minnesota
2006 2 Chad Jackson 36 WR 2008 0 0 0 2 18           4 22 0 14 171 3     Florida
2006 3 David Thomas 86 TE 2012 0 0 2 9 80                 102 938 8     Texas
2006 4 Garrett Mills 106 FB 2010 0 0 0 1 16                 9 110 0     Tulsa
2006 4 Stephen Gostkowski 118 K 2019 2 4 14 36 204                           Memphis
2006 5 Ryan O'Callaghan 136 T 2010 0 0 1 12 51                           California
2006 6 Jeremy Mincey 191 DE 2015 0 0 4 30 96                       1 26.0 Florida
2006 6 Dan Stevenson 205 G   0 0 0                               Notre Dame
2006 6 Le Kevin Smith 206 DT 2010 0 0 0 2 45                         1.0 Nebraska
2006 7 Willie Andrews 229 DB 2007 0 0 0 3 30                           Baylor

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8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They don't like that fact that he has failed to produce a consistently winning football team over the course of 13 seasons.

I wonder if Cam Newton's health and Dave Gettleman's inability to surround him with any protection had anything to do with this (or the fact Mike Shula was his offensive coordinator).

Hurney, quite easily, produced rosters that were good enough to consistently win (not just win, win Superbowls).  Everything else in our organization was a mess, from coaching, to Dave Gettleman's mediocre to terrible drafts, to Jerry Richardson's meddling

And despite all this, he constructed rosters that took us to the brink of winning 2 Super Bowls

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1. Those using Dennis Daley as an example,  are new.  Yes....he is the highest graded rookie.  But he's only played, what? 6 games.  Remember Bene Benwikere?  He was PFF's rookie leader for DBs, through all 16 games.

 

2.  Who Reallllly gets the credit for Norman?  Yes, Hurney did draft him.  But does Rivera and Sean McDermott get the credit here?   He had 2 good years here.  Then once gone and in another system, he's been trash.

 

3.  Pretty sure its know that Marty, while on the staff, didn't draft Smitty.

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8 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Hurney, quite easily, produced rosters that were good enough to consistently win (not just win, win Superbowls).

How many Super Bowl rings does Hurney have from being a GM? 

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7 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

 

I wonder if Cam Newton's health and Dave Gettleman's inability to surround him with any protection had anything to do with this (or the fact Mike Shula was his offensive coordinator).

Hurney, quite easily, produced rosters that were good enough to consistently win (not just win, win Superbowls).  Everything else in our organization was a mess, from coaching, to Dave Gettleman's mediocre to terrible drafts, to Jerry Richardson's meddling

And despite all this, he constructed rosters that took us to the brink of winning 2 Super Bowls

So, Hurney's last two failure seasons are all Gettleman's fault and the previous eleven which also combine for a losing overall record are due to RJ?

Wow.

 

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