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3 hours ago, onmyown said:

This post makes absolutely no sense. It is not a stupid thing to do. What do you think the Panthers did to acquire Cam in 2011? You don’t think they cut contracts, cut spending, didn’t extend anyone to try and win? They may have no done it to specifically draft Cam but if you think they went in that season thinking they could compete and win you need to go back and study the history of what exactly happened. Fox was a lame duck and knew it. Hell JR even sent out a letter to all PSL owners after the season and said he apologized and didn’t think it’d be that bad. 
 

We got Cam out of it, unless you’re the browns it’s pretty rare teams with the top picks didn’t try to tank. Hell the Dolphins and Bengals were almost blatantly competing for it this year. Same with the whole ‘suck for luck’ thing the Colts did. There are examples after examples for top picks going back in draft history.

Sure some franchises like the Packers drafted Rodgers at the bottom of the first but if you look into that, they never wanted Rodgers, they wanted another Qb and it didn’t work out. This doesn’t happen often let alone the QB turn out to be a stud. They also didn’t ‘need’ him, they still have Favre. Different circumstances. 

 People who love Cam so much but say we shouldn’t tank for the next QB make no sense because that what allowed the Panthers to get him.

And how many of those teams are considered to be successful teams? Sure Fox was a lame duck but had Jimmy Clausen not been such a failure of a qb hell who knows what could have happened. You've given very few examples about how your 200 IQ strategy has been implemented in the NFL and done successfully. None of those who have "purposely sucked" or mortgaged their future are good teams in the NFL. They are the Browns, Redskins, Dolphins, Bears, etc.

And just so we're clear here. You are 100% all for the Panthers tanking from this very moment before the offseason has even started? Before a single game has been played, Am I reading this correctly?

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On 1/17/2020 at 8:02 AM, Mr Mojo Risin said:

What else are we going to do at Qb for this upcoming season? If Cam gets hurt its the same as trading/releasing him, we suck get a high pick next year. Getting rid of Cam this year literally has 0 benefits for us. Keep Cam rebuild the trenches and this team remains competitive. Get rid of Cam and mortgage the future on a BUNCH of unknowns and uncertainties sounds like a recipie for disaster and the quickest way to turn this team into the Browns of the NFC.

What benefit do we get letting Cam go? 20 million versus drafting one and spending 5 million a year. The draft pick isn't going to be greater than a 2nd or 3rd. 

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15 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

What benefit do we get letting Cam go?

If only there was a thread or hundreds of posts explaining this....

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5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If only there was a thread or hundreds of posts explaining this....

People going through the grieving process losing Cam. 

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15 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:


Let me ask you this.  Do you think when Rhule took the job a decision had not been made about Cam yet?

 

I'm sure Cam was discussed, but it wouldn't shock me if Rhule took the job and a decision on Cam had not been made. When I heard the story of how the whole hire went down, it sounded like an emotion filled decision on both sides. 

I liken it to how after your fall for a girl, you can kind of overlook some of her faults. Tepper and Rhule fell in love with each other, and Rhule overlooked the fault of the uncertainty of the quarterback position. 

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24 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

What benefit do we get letting Cam go? 20 million versus drafting one and spending 5 million a year. The draft pick isn't going to be greater than a 2nd or 3rd. 

What would we do with that 20 million that would make us competitive for this coming season? Keeping Cam would allow this team to continue to rebuild the trenches and the defense while remaining competitive. 19 million in cap space does us no good this year if we dont have Cam.

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9 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

What would we do with that 20 million that would make us competitive for this coming season? Keeping Cam would allow this team to continue to rebuild the trenches and the defense while remaining competitive. 19 million in cap space does us no good this year if we dont have Cam.

That assumes that Cam would pick up a WCO based offense and make the transition right away  Cam did great when the offense was tailored to him. And while Brady says he will do that, this is likely typical coach speak. Cam may not have the best skill set to run this offense.  This will be a new offense for whoever is at quarterback and Cam  might need time to learn it and at this time he is in a one year deal.

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On 1/17/2020 at 8:16 AM, Mr. Scot said:

The problem with this scenario is it's one-sided. It assumes that Newton would just accept playing out the last year of his contract with no guarantees.

He doesn't have to, and it's not a given that the Panthers would force him to.

yes...but if Cam want a big $$ contract with us, or anybody else, he is going to have to show his health is not an issue...he will play

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1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

That assumes that Cam would pick up a WCO based offense and make the transition right away  Cam did great when the offense was tailored to him. And while Brady says he will do that, this is likely typical coach speak. Cam may not have the best skill set to run this offense.  This will be a new offense for whoever is at quarterback and Cam  might need time to learn it and at this time he is in a one year deal.

There's a lot of uncertainty as to what exactly we're going to run and I understand the argument of moving on from Cam as well as retaining him. I just dont think a team/coach should ever want to lose on purpose unless the season is already lost. This whole narrative of tanking the first 2-3 seasons of the Rhule era just seems silly to me. And getting rid of Cam will all but secure that narrative as well as waste away CMCs prime years. Whereas if we keep Cam we're a couple pieces on the oline away from fielding a really good offense with Joe Brady and not Mike fuging Shula coordinating. Idk who knows what's going to happen honestly I just feel like itd be in the team, the coaches, Cam's, and the fans best interest to see what they can do together.

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12 hours ago, M_Loop said:

another idea on a centre is LSU LLOYD CUSHENBERRY III
https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/lloyd-cushenberry-iii/HjCBm5RLf4
RS Junior, 6'4'', 315 lbs

"This players skill set is a better fit at OG but could play OC in a pinch in the NFL."

There are too many high line centers that would instantly start in this draft that wilm be available with our 2and pick not to fix the position. This is yet another example.

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10 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

There's a lot of uncertainty as to what exactly we're going to run and I understand the argument of moving on from Cam as well as retaining him. I just dont think a team/coach should ever want to lose on purpose unless the season is already lost. This whole narrative of tanking the first 2-3 seasons of the Rhule era just seems silly to me. And getting rid of Cam will all but secure that narrative as well as waste away CMCs prime years. Whereas if we keep Cam we're a couple pieces on the oline away from fielding a really good offense with Joe Brady and not Mike fuging Shula coordinating. Idk who knows what's going to happen honestly I just feel like itd be in the team, the coaches, Cam's, and the fans best interest to see what they can do together.

Totally agree that tanking anytime is a loser mentality. And sucking in 2020 is year three not year 1 in tanking. The biggest question is whether going in any direction other than Cam would be tanking or that keeping Cam will suddenly turn things around  I am not convinced that moving on from Cam will be worse than keeping him given he is not a good match for what Brady ran in NO or LSU. And yeah he said he would match what we do to who we have but they all said that. Remember when Rivera said we would be aggressive on offense and defense and dictate to the other team.

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On 1/17/2020 at 4:44 PM, Matt62881 said:

Plus our foundation is CMC, Moore, Burns, Cam if retained, and whoever our top 10 pick is this year. It actually sounds fairly competitive right there not to mention some other pieces like KK, Bradberry, Curtis and a few others that are far above average. Like I've said, I've seen far worse teams make a push. We can rebuild or whatever while we at least try and not make my eyes bleed.

Totally agree. Each year teams lose players, draft new players and add free agents.  Rebuilding can be achieved overnight if all the right moves are made. The teams that maintain excellence are good at all 3 phases of Retaining talent, solid free agents and good draft picks (including UDFA). We have a decent core so why not start from there. 

One of Rhule's greatest attributes (or so they say) is making things happen with what he had. Many good players are still on this roster and with a smart draft and good free agents we can be competitive. 

I believe Cam will be back 100% and will flourish in Brady's offense.  We have to believe some of the rookies will make a leap in their 2nd year. 

If Rhule is as good as he says he is than he'll take the talent we have and win.

 

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3 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Totally agree. Each year teams lose players, draft new players and add free agents.  Rebuilding can be achieved overnight if all the right moves are made. The teams that maintain excellence are good at all 3 phases of Retaining talent, solid free agents and good draft picks (including UDFA). We have a decent core so why not start from there. 

One of Rhule's greatest attributes (or so they say) is making things happen with what he had. Many good players are still on this roster and with a smart draft and good free agents we can be competitive. 

I believe Cam will be back 100% and will flourish in Brady's offense.  We have to believe some of the rookies will make a leap in their 2nd year. 

If Rhule is as good as he says he is than he'll take the talent we have and win.

 

Yea I am a firm believer Rhule and Brady can get the most out of the players we have and field a perfectly fine team where as Rivera was lucky to get 75% out of them. The teams that are perennial losers usually stay losers, I really don't see these rebuilds people speak of. Imo rebuild is used as an excuse to be losers. No team is full of all pros or even elite player's, every team has holes. The Patriots never seem to field a great team on paper but win because of their ability to gameplan, mostly due to the aptitude of their front office and coaching. This team has plenty to compete, the run defense must be fixed and we must get a center, outside of that we can be fine. 

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On 1/17/2020 at 12:53 PM, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Yes. Embrace the suck. Embrace the losing for absolutely no guarantee this franchise will.go to the playoffs at all under coach Rhule. You dont get rid of the best Qb your franchise has ever seen at 31 years old. I'm going to say it again, moves like that are the reason why this team has a bigger chance of becoming the Browns of the NFC rather than a perennial playoff team. 

So you're willing to give a new contract to Cam at 31, who hasn't stayed healthy for 2 seasons now on a rebuilding team that has multiple holes to fill, knowing that his new contract is going to eat a lot of cap room? Doesn't really sound fair to either the organization or Cam. 

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