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7 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

Yes, Beason had a great career and was a good MLB" should be enough to validate the pick.

I disagree.  If you pass on a first ballot Hall of Fame shut down CB (very rare) and take a very solid all pro linebacker (easier to find)--that alone does not make the pick a good one---however, this is to prove not that the pick was good, it was to demonstrate a pattern of thought--that marty takes safe picks and avoids certain positions.  After Gamble, Richard Marshall was the best CB Marty picked in his career.  Name a top WR he selected.  What about DTs?   How many good LBs and RBs has he picked?  Is a GM evaluated on his ability to build a team or a position?

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3 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Nah, if you are the GM, and the name is called on your watch, it is your call.

That way I don't have to do mental gymnastics to figure out who to blame and when.

If it is not your call, you are GM in title only.  

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4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I disagree.  If you pass on a first ballot Hall of Fame shut down CB (very rare) and take a very solid all pro linebacker (easier to find)--that alone does not make the pick a good one---however, this is to prove not that the pick was good, it was to demonstrate a pattern of thought--that marty takes safe picks and avoids certain positions.  After Gamble, Richard Marshall was the best CB Marty picked in his career.  Name a top WR he selected.  What about DTs?   How many good LBs and RBs has he picked?  Is a GM evaluated on his ability to build a team or a position?

People like names, they like to say Luuuuuuuuuuuuke during games, seemingly to some in this fanbase that's more important than winning.

Fans of this team still pounce on DG for cutting Smith, and letting Norman walk....although both were for the betterment of this team long term.  Hell, I had a fan I respect a lot tell me that she didn't care if Olsen and TD could play or not, and didn't care how much they cost, she wanted them here long term no matter what.

It's a very strange thing.

That said, we overrate the hell out of Beason's career, he was off to a stunning start, then injuries derailed him.  Great player while healthy, but his greatness was somewhat short lived unfortunately.

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5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I disagree.  If you pass on a first ballot Hall of Fame shut down CB (very rare) and take a very solid all pro linebacker (easier to find)--that alone does not make the pick a good one---however, this is to prove not that the pick was good, it was to demonstrate a pattern of thought--that marty takes safe picks and avoids certain positions.  After Gamble, Richard Marshall was the best CB Marty picked in his career.  Name a top WR he selected.  What about DTs?   How many good LBs and RBs has he picked?  Is a GM evaluated on his ability to build a team or a position?

If Revis had been drafted to us would it have been a good pick given we ran zone most of the time we are talking about and Revis was best in man coverage and actually struggled in zone. The picks have to match the system. I wouldn't use him as a comparison given his man skills could have been wasted in our system.

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1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

If Revis had been drafted to us would it have been a good pick given we ran zone most of the time we are talking about and Revis was best in man coverage and actually struggled in zone. The picks have to match the system. I wouldn't use him as a comparison given his man skills could have been wasted in our system.

Op is what people call a smart dumb poster.

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17 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I disagree.  If you pass on a first ballot Hall of Fame shut down CB (very rare) and take a very solid all pro linebacker (easier to find)--that alone does not make the pick a good one---however, this is to prove not that the pick was good, it was to demonstrate a pattern of thought--that marty takes safe picks and avoids certain positions.  After Gamble, Richard Marshall was the best CB Marty picked in his career.  Name a top WR he selected.  What about DTs?   How many good LBs and RBs has he picked?  Is a GM evaluated on his ability to build a team or a position?

What your missing is, not only did we get Beason out of it. He also nailed the 3rd rounder he acquired to pick up Kalil. 
 

Another thing you’ve missed in this entire thread is context. For several of the seasons, you pick positions he passed on. Well did you forget or not start watching the panthers to know we already had Chris Gamble and Ken Lucas starting at corner the year we passed on Revis to select Beason and Kalil?

 

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I think Beason is being undersold here. He wasn't a "very solid MLB". He was basically Bobby Wagner. A great player who just had the misfortune of playing at the same time of a slightly greater player at his position. Wagner had Luke, Beason had Patrick Willis.

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30 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

That is quite a cranium. :eyeroll: Hoping the sarcasm of the thread title was not lost on anyone.  I laughed lunch out of my nose when I read your opening line, and I did not have lunch today.

People are praising him for the first round picks--he picks safely--see my Beason example.  Why trading down and getting Beason and Ryan Kalil may not have been a great move.

I read the sarcasm loud and clear. I’m just playing along with factual humor.

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10 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

People like names, they like to say Luuuuuuuuuuuuke during games, seemingly to some in this fanbase that's more important than winning.

Fans of this team still pounce on DG for cutting Smith, and letting Norman walk....although both were for the betterment of this team long term.  Hell, I had a fan I respect a lot tell me that she didn't care if Olsen and TD could play or not, and didn't care how much they cost, she wanted them here long term no matter what.

It's a very strange thing.

That said, we overrate the hell out of Beason's career, he was off to a stunning start, then injuries derailed him.  Great player while healthy, but his greatness was somewhat short lived unfortunately.

apparently we had to make sure that kalil, davis, and olsen were kept bc they needed to retire on their own terms so they can retire as panthers. ppl were unhappy with the way players were departing and i’m sure jerry richardson wasn’t a fan of the offseason evaluation process that gettleman implemented.

3 years later, davis is a charger, kalil retired and then subsequently unretired and signed with the jets, and olsen left on not-so-agreeable terms.

was this all worth downgrading to a bottom-of-the-barrel GM?

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12 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

apparently we had to make sure that kalil, davis, and olsen were kept bc they needed to retire on their own terms so they can retire as panthers. ppl were unhappy with the way players were departing and i’m sure jerry richardson wasn’t a fan of the offseason evaluation process that gettleman implemented.

3 years later, davis is a charger, kalil retired and then subsequently unretired and signed with the jets, and olsen left on not-so-agreeable terms.

was this all worth downgrading to a bottom-of-the-barrel GM?

Is it a downgrade when our GM has been better than our previous GM over the past two seasons?

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I'm curious why most of the huddle thinks Daley and little are fine... yet are demanding we draft a left tackle at 7...

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2 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I'm curious why most of the huddle thinks Daley and little are fine... yet are demanding we draft a left tackle at 7...

It's not the same people. 

The people saying Daley and Little are fine are insisting we take a WR in the deepest WR draft class in a long time.

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1 hour ago, Madwolf said:

It's not the same people. 

The people saying Daley and Little are fine are insisting we take a WR in the deepest WR draft class in a long time.

so you think they are fine 2? I wouldnt close myself off to wr either if we are sold on the tackles of the future. Juedy in particular. but I would go okudah, simmons and Dt as well.

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Oh geez, we are so beyond this Dave Gettleman stuff it might as well have been ten years ago. Much bigger concerns moving forward, what's done is done. We need a new GM, but we also need an identity, and a team culture. Right now we might as well have a comparable culture with the Cleveland Browns, and we are potentially moving on from Newton. That's dumpster fire status right there. Not to mention upcoming FA's and guys we could try to bring in are going to be apprehensive with the way the front office has conducted themselves throughout this clusterfug.

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1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

I'm curious why most of the huddle thinks Daley and little are fine... yet are demanding we draft a left tackle at 7...

Simple. Because here in the HUDDLE, 2 + 2 = 5 and next year our team will be a better version of the 2015 Panthers And we’ll be bringing home the Lombardi Trophy.

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