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USS Theodore Roosevelt CO Relieved

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The ACTING Secretary of the Navy is a fugging Trump appointed civilian who knows dick about leadership.

And when 5,000+ crew members of a ship give you a send off like they did for their Commanding Officer, it tells you everything you need to know about leadership. Take a lesson, Modley.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Navy-expected-to-relieve-captain-of-15175190.php

The captain of a nuclear aircraft carrier who pleaded with Navy officials for more resources to remove most of his nearly 5,000 crew members from the coronavirus-infected warship, warning sailors could die, was relieved of his command Thursday.

Capt. Brett Crozier, commander of the Theodore Roosevelt, sent a letter to Navy leaders this week pleading for immediate help for his crew as the coronavirus spread through the warship. Navy leaders, however, said he showed “extremely poor judgment” in copying the letter to more than 20 people, saying that allowed it to become public and undermine national security.

Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said at a Pentagon news conference that Crozier had been relieved “at my direction.” He said the captain hadn’t let his superiors know the seriousness of the situation aboard his ship before The Chronicle revealed the contents of a letter he wrote to Navy brass, and that he hadn’t taken steps to ensure the plea would not be leaked.

Crozier was dismissed a day after top Navy officials had said he would not face retaliation for the letter asking for measures to help the crew of the aircraft carrier, which is in port in Guam.

“The fact that he wrote the letter ... to his chain of command to express his concerns would absolutely not result in any type of retaliation,” Adm. Michael Gilday, chief of naval operations, said Wednesday. “This is what we want our commanding officers to be able to do.”

The plea from Crozier, a Santa Rosa native, was made in a letter, obtained exclusively by The Chronicle, which reported about it Tuesday. Crozier, 50, asked Navy officials for resources to allow isolation of his entire crew and avoid possible deaths in a situation he described as quickly deteriorating.

“This will require a political solution but it is the right thing to do,” Crozier wrote in the letter Monday. “We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die. If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset — our Sailors.”

On Thursday, Modly said Crozier had let his emotions color his judgment and that he had jeopardized naval operations. He said Crozier had been in touch with top military officers before writing the letter and had asked only for quicker evacuation of the carrier’s sailors.

“At no time did (Crozier) relay the various levels of alarm that I, along with the rest of the world, learned from his letter when it was published two days later by the CO’s hometown newspaper,” Modly said.

He said he did not know if Crozier had leaked the letter, but that the captain had copied the email to 20 to 30 people. He said that increased the chances it would be publicized outside the Navy’s chain of command, which showed “extremely poor judgment in times of crisis.”

“Command is a sacred trust, which must be continually earned,” Modly said, adding that he had spoken with Crozier before deciding to relieve him. “As I learned more about the events of the past week aboard the Teddy Roosevelt ... I could reach no other conclusion than Capt. Crozier had allowed the complexity of his challenge with the COVID breakout on his ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally, when acting professionally is what we needed most at the time.”

Just a day before his dismissal, Crozier wrote a letter to Roosevelt sailors and their families, also obtained exclusively by The Chronicle, in which he said he fought to “get all our Sailors into an environment more aligned with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommendations, and that is more conducive to our team’s wellness, enabling us all to get back to sea.”

He described how each sailor would get an individual room in Guam where they will be fed, have wifi access, laundry service, mail instructions and most importantly their “own space.”

“Upon completion of this process, we will return to sea and be ready to execute whatever orders come our way; healthy and on a clean ship,” Crozier wrote.

Of nearly 1,300 sailors aboard the Theodore Roosevelt who have been screened for the disease, 116 tested positive, Navy officials said Thursday. But about half the tests have not been returned. About 1,000 sailors, or 20%, have been removed from the ship, Navy officials said.

In the next 24 hours, they said, they hope to take a total of 2,700 crew members off the vessel. The first sailors were moved to a oceanfront hotel in the tourist section of Guam on Wednesday.

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Judging by the tone of the admiral, the captain when through the coc like he was supposed to & warned them of everything calmly. Then when things were moving on military time he fired off that email & stepped on every toe he could.

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14 minutes ago, 332nd said:

Judging by the tone of the admiral, the captain when through the coc like he was supposed to & warned them of everything calmly. Then when things were moving on military time he fired off that email & stepped on every toe he could.

What I don’t get is why is the DoD’s excuse even acceptable if they are essentially evacuating the ship and everyone knew it was at port. From what I read last night it was still at sea now all this comes out(confirmed) today it isn’t and hasn’t been for a week at least. It’s not like every major military power doesn’t know where it’s at. Aircraft carriers aren’t designed to hide. 

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this is some north korea type poo

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25 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

What I don’t get is why is the DoD’s excuse even acceptable if they are essentially evacuating the ship and everyone knew it was at port. From what I read last night it was still at sea now all this comes out(confirmed) today it isn’t and hasn’t been for a week at least. It’s not like every major military power doesn’t know where it’s at. Aircraft carriers aren’t designed to hide. 

This is but the tip of the iceberg. When you have an administration as incompetent as this one, filled with "Acting" directors or secretaries, none of whom have any real leadership experience, led by a draft-dodging, chicken-poo, germophobe who so fears for his life that he refuses to make any public appearances outside his orchestrated Klan rallies, what were you expecting? These fuggers are so inept, you could put 'em on a street corner with a hundred dollar bill in their hand, surround them with a dozen hookers and they couldn't plan on getting laid.

Bunch of feckless asshats who couldn't lead a horse to water, couldn't teach a Cub Scout to tie a square knot and certainly have no clue how to manage the material assets and lead the human assets of the military. 

When the best example of this country's leadership is this:

"Mr. President, what can you say to reassure the American people who are scared right now?"

"That's a nasty question...."

Fug you Trump, you are nothing and nobody. You're as useless as the same N95 mask that nurses and doctors have been wearing daily for over a week because they don't have any more. The only difference is they're grateful to have had the mask; you- not so much.

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Reminds me of the story of the heavy cruiser USS Indianapolis sunk by a Japanese sub  just after delivering A-bomb components to Tinian. The Navy fouled up and left the survivors in the water for days. Lots died from dehydration and shark attacks. The Navy needed a scapegoat and courtmartialed Captain McVay for "failing to zigzag". He finally committed suicide in 1968.

Yeah, relieving the Captain of the Roosevelt is total BS. I hear there is a petition to reinstate him, but doubt it will do any good.

 

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3 minutes ago, Jaycat said:

Reminds me of the story of the heavy cruiser USS Indianapolis sunk by a Japanese sub  just after delivering A-bomb components to Tinian. The Navy fouled up and left the survivors in the water for days. Lots died from dehydration and shark attacks. The Navy needed a scapegoat and courtmartialed Captain McVay for "failing to zigzag". He finally committed suicide in 1968.

Yeah, relieving the Captain of the Roosevelt is total BS. I hear there is a petition to reinstate him, but doubt it will do any good.

 

It won’t do poo right now, but he’ll probably make admiral if they don’t completely ex communicate him from the navy before a competent command structure is put back in place.  

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The hits just keep coming for this embarrassing administration. Kudos to this Captain. This is what real leadership looks like. A true American and patriot. Unlike that dipshit who fired him. 

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The skipper was fired because he wrote a letter and cc'd a bunch of people that were not in his chain of command.  Right or wrong, doing so will get you fired most of the time, regardless of who the president is.  Or at very least, officially adominished.  

Interestingly enough, the ship's namesake actually had a similar issue.  Teddy Roosevelt wrote a similar letter detailing his troops affliction with Malaria.  In part due to his hero status at the time, he wasn't relieved of command, but he did have a medal of honor award blocked.   

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20 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

The skipper was fired because he wrote a letter and cc'd a bunch of people that were not in his chain of command.  Right or wrong, doing so will get you fired most of the time, regardless of who the president is.  Or at very least, officially adominished.  

Interestingly enough, the ship's namesake actually had a similar issue.  Teddy Roosevelt wrote a similar letter detailing his troops affliction with Malaria.  In part due to his hero status at the time, he wasn't relieved of command, but he did have a medal of honor award blocked.   

After he sent Chain of command messages that our incompetent DoD staff ignored. 

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21 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

The skipper was fired because he wrote a letter and cc'd a bunch of people that were not in his chain of command.  Right or wrong, doing so will get you fired most of the time, regardless of who the president is.  Or at very least, officially adominished.  

Interestingly enough, the ship's namesake actually had a similar issue.  Teddy Roosevelt wrote a similar letter detailing his troops affliction with Malaria.  In part due to his hero status at the time, he wasn't relieved of command, but he did have a medal of honor award blocked.   

He did what he had to do to get action. 

He was fired swiftly because he outed the incompetence above him.     They know that.  

Yeah, I get the military would technically need to “discipline” him being the military and all.  They opted not to do the right thing however in this case.    To do the right thing you sometimes have to do the wrong thing. Real leadership would have slapped him on the wrist . They removed him immediately with no investigation.    Which speaks volumes about the Sec of Defense and POTUS. 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, CRA said:

He did what he had to do to get action. 

He was fired swiftly because he outed the incompetence above him.     They know that.  

Yeah, I get the military would technically need to “discipline” him being the military and all.  They opted not to do the right thing however in this case.    To do the right thing you sometimes have to do the wrong thing. Real leadership would have slapped him on the wrist . They removed him immediately with no investigation.    Which speaks volumes about the Sec of Defense and POTUS. 

 

 

 

One of the first things I learned about the Navy when I served was that you go outside the chain of command (regardless of the reason), you risk your job.  That is the way things have been for a long time.   I am not defending what the Navy did, but like it or not, what happened to him was standard procedure for the Military.  I am not even sure they would involve the president.  The CO could actually be relieved by his theater commander.  He was relieved by the acting secnav (Modly), not the secdef.  Fwiw, Modly is probably one of the few people Trump has appointed who has at least some qualifications for the job he is doing.

 

Trump is grossly unqualified to be president, and I am all for blaming him for a lot of issues.  This just isn't one of them.

 

All this being said, Trump is an idiot.  He is actually blaming the Captain for the Port Visit to Vietnam.  That is asinine.  While the Captain could refuse to stop there, these things are generally decided at higher levels, CINCPAC or Pacom.  

 

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American soldier commits war crimes & kills foreign nationals= presidential pardon.

American Commanding Officer shouts from rooftops he has a medical emergency within his command= gets fired.

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