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My point wasn't to say that Chark has lived up to his draft status, which I'd say a 2nd rounder getting 1,000 yards is fine. It's more or less to say that we shouldn't crown Tet, or Legette, for that matter. Legette has produced for us but his drops cost us at least one win, maybe more. Horn Jr. is fighting for a roster spot still but looks likely to make it, still hasn't played a down. I also have to wonder how much of this is related to coaching? What would Chark and TMJ look like playing in a Canales offense? On raw ability, Chark and TMJ were uber talented receivers stuck here with poor coaching. Sort of like how Sam nearly carried the team, with Wilks and a smashmouth run game, to the playoffs. I'll wait to see how Tet and Horn perform, and if XL can resolve his catch issues or if he fades into Panthers 2nd round receiver obscurity. Too early to tell.

1. Adam Theilen was robbed of a touchdown against the Bucaneers 2. Cotchery caught the ball, and not overturning that call actually lost the Panthers the Super Bowl. Three plays later, Cam was strip sacked and the Panthers went down 10-0 early in the first, yet marched their way back. Take that free space away and it changes the entire complexion of the game, which the Panthers were beginning to figure out as the game went along. I still hate that, to this day, moreso for Kuechly, Davis, and Rivera than anyone else. Those were three dudes and should be in the Panthers Ring of Honor. They embodied what it meant to "Keep Pounding" and Luke's postseason performance was worthy of an exhibit in Canton as is. Feeling sentimental today. The refs wanted to get the Manning's their last Super Bowl, and they got it. The football gods know this as well and Arch will have to pay for their thievery.

Where did you attend college and learn to draw that conclusion? It means that the QBR when targetting XL was 86.3. That is a stat measuring Legette's play, not the QB's. Legette made is harder than 138 other receivers on his QB.

Other than Mingo for Legette, there isn't a huge difference in the first team. Chark is a 1,000 yard receiver, and Tetairoa hasn't caught a single pass in an NFL game. So you can't really say whether that is better or not. I also really liked Shenault for what he could do as a sort of joker.

Their goal is this. 1. Joe Flacco is the starter 2. Keep Watson on PUP because you can’t afford to cut him and you don’t want him taking up a roster spot 3. Gabriel and Sanders will be back-ups. Neither are going to the practice squad because someone will pick them up 4. Kenny Pickett is trade bait. If he isn’t a better option than Flacco, then you trade him 5. They can’t keep two veterans on with Watson’s whale of a contract already holding the team down. I believe it was a competition between Pickett and Flacco to start. Whomever loses either gets cut or traded

It could work. I’d love for it to work out and extract the best from Bryce and Tet. I just love guys that can beat coverage and get open. We haven’t had a lot of that as Panthers fans going back to Steve Smith, DJ Moore, and I guess CMC. I like a good shake and go receiver.

What is it with you younger guys who post something, get a response, and then go “LOL, YOU TYPE TOO MUCH DADDDDD”. Just pre-teen levels of arrogance in so few words it’s shocking. You have nothing of substance to add, don’t say anything at all. Easy as that. In a room of smart people, the less you say, the better.

A good offensive line can make an average running back look like an All-Pro, and can at least make a QB look competent. People get it to a point but man, receivers and corners good enough to get the job done are a dime a dozen. They sell jerseys though.

Eh. The Dolphins doubled down on what Tua does well, which is similar to what Bryce does well, and went out and got world class route runners with world class speed. The Dolphin's have lost because Tua has a concussion problem. You help your quarterback and I think Bryce can be an All-Pro caliber player, based on what we saw last season, particularly when Adam got back. So rather than forcing the issue and taking guys who are very talented, but don't fit, I think you go get guys that fit what your QB does well. Golden would have been the perfect player for what Bryce does well. As for Tet, he is a talent to be sure, but he has trouble creating separation. He had issues in Arizona with this, and he's had issues in camp. Nearly every ball against man coverage is contested, and that's not a good thing no matter who your QB is.

Flacco is the starter. That isn't a surprise as it's already been their plan. The way I see it is that Pickett was picked up as trade bait. You have Watson on an insane contract, and hope to keep him on PUP so he doesn't take up a roster spot. You have Flacco as your starter and then two cheap rookies as back-ups. It isn't a recipe for success but it's the hole they've dug themselves. They can't get rid of two rookies on 3rd and 5th round contracts with the contract that Watson has, in my opinion. And honestly, I expect Shedeur to play well tomorrow. I didn't care for him as a person but the utter disdain some people had for him made me check him out more closely, and he seems to be largely a good guy. Says the right things, has been doing the right things, his teammates like him and trust him, etc. It's very similar to how Cam was viewed outside of Carolina. But playing in a pro style offense in college, and your leading rusher has 300 yards, in 13 games, yet completing 74% of your passes for more than 4,000 yards with 40+ touchdowns, and winning awards, at a P5 school and then going in the 5th round is unheard of. He's at least a second round talent and I'm excited to see what he can do, or rather what Stefanski will call. Don't know if they will call the game to let him let it rip or just force the issue to drive down the field methodically. If Bryce Young can demand a kings ransom to trade up and get, none of the physical limitations they said that Shedeur had are really limitations at all. It was an excuse.

Antonio Brown could also create 10 yards of separation through Hall of Fame level route running. XL doesn't have that. Tet won't get open but he will catch the ball away from his body.

You're not going to change my mind on this. Defenses are worse today than they were. Positional value is irrelevant because relative defensive performance still wins championships. Even if defenses are not as good as they once were, it simply means teams are thinking that offensive spending leads to more wins and the Bengals and Eagles proved that isn't the case, on opposite ends of the spectrum. Give me a 2015 Panthers set-up with a better offensive coordinator and more consistent QB play over what the Bengel's are trying to do.

I agree with you. The difference between Adam being on the field and not being on the field is tangible. I don't think Tet is going to change that dynamic. That's why I wanted Golden. Give him a year or two behind Adam to learn the ins and outs of the NFL game and man, he would be dangerous. He's already going to be dangerous on his own but let him play behind one of the best route runners this generation of receivers and let him go. Given Bryce's game, I didn't like the Tet pick. So whether our success hinges on Adam really depends on how comfortable Bryce is throwing to covered receivers, because Tet has issues getting off of coverage. That was known from Arizona and doesn't seem to be any different here.

Positional value of a 3rd receiver is higher than a starting MLB? You build defenses inside out and front to back. A good defensive line can make good linebackers look like great linebackers. Good linebackers can make good secondary players look like great secondary players. Look at Kurt Coleman as an example. Luke Kuechly and Co. made it possible for Coleman to have an All-Pro like season. Same thing for Josh Norman.

I think that largely depends on play calling, and Theilen being available. The Panthers need a guy who can carve up a defense and it showed last year when Adam was in versus when he was out. I still think we should have taken Matthew Golden instead of King Tet but we're here now. Gotta make lemonade.

That was Bucky Williams, Austin Peay transfer to App State. He's a camp body at this point, even though he did road grade Texas A&M in 2022.

If there is a God, I want to talk to him about why I didn't get to be Myles Garrett.

App State sighting. Bucky Williams.

No. He is starting largely because Gabriel and Pickett are hurt. In my opinion, after reading about their camp, he’s been the best performer after Flacco, as well. Whatever the drama going on in the C-suites, I don’t think they would trade Sanders just because. Then again, they got rid of Baker. Who knows? I used to like Stefanski but the more I see, the more I realize drama just follows him around.

Something like 40 out of 53 spots are decided. The rest is noise, honestly. But the final score is indicative of depth which does play a role down the line.

Legette dropped 14% of his targets last year. He won’t shut people up by continuing to drop balls like he did at FanFest.

Restarted is the term I prefer. It shocks me that you haven’t heard the term rizz yet watch the NFL.

What actions, exactly? It’s funny how one email about a dudes mouth overrides 35 years of working experience all because you’re a little more pale than the person you commented on. He got comfortable believing he was one of the guys and someone LEAKED EMAILS which, right or wrong, were stolen. He does still represent the NFL. He gets access to facilities, to players, to coaches, to playbooks. He gets asked for evaluations. That’s a lot more involved than some random YouTuber. You understand that, right?

Five touchdowns, 40 points and 35 points against teams fighting for a playoff bid is the floor? So you’re thinking Tom Brady levels of efficiency? Reasonable…

If that’s the case then we wasted a pick on Etienne. Personally, I’d like 700, 600, and 400 yards from three guys because everyone will be fresh in February.