CPcavedweller

He is the best receiver on the roster and it's not even close. You don't trade him for anything less than a 3rd. If the Vikings are thinking Super Bowl, they will trade that. This team doesn't sniff the postseason without Thielen.

No. Adam is worth more to the offense than a 4th. In my mind, barring the future from discussion, this is playoff or bust time for this staff and this QB. Adam is a huge part of that push to get to the playoffs. If the Vikings want him, and are thinking Super Bowl, they will send a 2nd or 3rd for him. Or a 4th and a player. Otherwise, I don't send him for anything. Thielen is the glue that holds the offense together, and I'm not getting rid of him.

2010 was worse. Not much worse but worse.

May as well be April in my mind. I think this team is going to be bad, early again. Two touchdowns in three preseason games, regardless of how many starters played, is an ominous sign. 0-3 in preseason is even worse. While preseason doesn’t perfectly correlate to wins, going 0-Fer in preseason is almost certainly a sign of a non-playoff team.

I mean, Flacco is definitely better than Bryce. Pickett is a toss-up. Gabriel and Sanders are unknown but, I'd take Sanders on his rookie 5th round deal rather than continue trying with Bryce, but that's just me. Would make the trouble I go through to figure out how to watch the games on Sunday's worthwhile, unlike they have been since Cam got hurt.

Plummer saw "Killebrew" and was like, that's what imma bout to be doing so here ya go Renfrow. "But did you die?"

It really just shows the lack of scouting ability by the Front Office. There are plenty of 3rd teamers better than this that aren't even signed right now. At this point, I think the Panthers don't want Bryce to feel any sense of competition for his job. That's the only thing I can think of. That really just shows how Bryce is, in my opinion. If he was Mahomes-lite, or Burrows, or whomever, you could bring in almost anyone and it wouldn't matter. It really seems like they are trying to protect him.

The parks are empty tonight, everyone went to Charlotte. Watching this on TV is gross man. To be outdone by Steelers fans is one thing. To be outdone by Browns is something else. Gross.

How does Plummer still have a job in the NFL? The Browns have 5 QB's that are better than what we have. That is absurd. Maybe I'm being dramatic and Bryce is third on their list but I don't think I am.

BECAUSE I CAN. And I will continue to say it until someone from the Panthers FO contacts me for a consultation. I've been right about most everything since the end of 2022, including saying that poor QB play wasn't their fault, but rather Rhule's. Then to re-sign Darnold, re-up Wilks, bring back Foreman, trade down in the draft and take Torrance/Kincaid, Mimms, Charbonnet on offense, pick up some interior OL FA's, and double down on the hard nosed run game with hard play action downfield pass game. Looking at the player list there, I was on to something. It is what it is though. I'll never have a say in it so ANYTHING I say is technically pointless, if you want to drill down to the nitty gritty of it.

You wanna come at me again, bro? Come on.

To me, this seems like they feel they aren't going to be competitive. I can't help but go back to Bryce. Good guy, but he doesn't inspire people to give it their all. He isn't a "leader" that people look to. There is no Smith, Delhomme, Kuechly, Cam, etc. coming in that door. It has to be Bryce, but biologically speaking, how often is the shortest man in the room going to command the kind of respect that will drive people? It just isn't. That isn't how we are wired. That isn't how any living animal on Earth today is wired. I just follow the science guys.

Vick's issue with Reid was that he couldn't take a hit, and he wouldn't go down. Otherwise he was pretty good much of the time. Mahomes has a system that works. Mahomes doesn't become Mahomes elsewhere because not everyone can extract 125% of the ability of a specific player like Reid can. Kevin O'Connell is beginning to look like he has that ability as well but I'll need to see how he does with his Redshirt Freshman. I also wonder how much of their playoff issue last year was related to the offense as a whole and not just Darnold. Fans don't really dive into the "why" things happen, they just see the what and complain about it.

There is a name for this but I can't put it on the forum.

Someone named BRad Idzik. Sounds like a guy who should work in the media room, and effectively does so with Canales running the offense, I guess. I like Canales and I'd like to keep him after Bryce. I still want Sanders. Dude is sitting there in the 4th and 5th round and we say NOPE, WE HAVE BRYCCCEEEE YOUNGGGGG. And then we draft a receiver when you have Tyler Warren sitting right there staring you in the face. A guy who can do most of what Tet can do, and play tight end.

And then we pass on Warren, a true blue chip guy. He may not do much until Indianapolis gets a quarterback but he's as close to Kelci for not being Kelci that I've seen.

I'll say this until it's pointless to say, but we should have taken Tyler Warren in the draft. Receivers are a dime a dozen. TE's like Warren come around every five years or less. He's a generational talent, and can effectively play multiple positions on offense. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. Everyone saying "but we have Sanders".

Jones is Sam Darnold? If Sam Darnold were here, he would be starting over Bryce. Bryce and Jones would be a competition. From when Rhule got fired to now, Darnold has looked like a first round QB. Made a mistake by letting him go and trading up for Bryce. Before you say anything about the Vikings, I said this same thing in 2023.

Some QB's are deaf. Whispering just makes it even harder for them to progress.

That's fine. He just looks like a pure running back. Dowdle can do everything Chubba can do, and he's got some hands on him, which I'm sure you'd love to catch if you don't keep my mom's name outcha mouth.

Well, we signed Chubba to $50 million and I'm of the opinion that Etienne is the best running back in the room.

I don’t remember the game well but I remember the result because it was all over ESPN. App State had a chance to be that team but lost to No. 9 Tennessee when Josh Dobbs fumbled into the end zone during OT and it was recovered by Tennessee. Then App had Penn State dead to rights in 2018, up 38-31 with 30 seconds left, when KJ Hamler returned a kick off past the 50. Penn State scored not long later. The next year App beat UNC and USC. Then in 2021 falling to Miami, in Miami by two points. 2022 beating No. 5 Texas A&M. That’s a wild list but App never got the same opportunity as Boise while on that rise. Anyway, feeling old.

Two true Super Processors that I know of were Andrew Luck and Luke Kuechly. I don’t think even Manning was to Luck’s level. Let’s remember another thing, Tom Brady took Hogan, Amendola, Edelnut, and Gronkowski to a Super Bowl. Made it look like it was 1947 out there. I don’t know if he was a super processor but he was like a coach on the field.

I’m late, by Thornton looks like an old Seattle DB. He’s going to be a problem for the NFL. Won’t get the recognition he deserves from anyone but PFF but he’s going to have a great year. Calling it now. When Horn inevitably misses 10 games, Thornton going to come in and make Horn a trade asset.

At this point, I think Bryce must have a fragile ego. The Patriots always drafted a QB, even when their guy was Tom Brady. The Panthers were worried about bringing in any perception of competition. Now right a wrong and send a fourth and Jack Plummer for Sanders.