CPcavedweller

It sounds like he inserted a prompt into ChatGPT and ran with it. I really despise the lack of writing ability.

Don't get me back on the "keep Darnold, keep Wilks, keep Foreman, trade down, take Charbonnet, Torrance, Mimms, and maybe Kincaid depending on what we got in a trade down." Those were my desires in 2023. Tepper wouldn't answer my call. He's reaping what he sowed. And all of us has had precious time wasted in our lives that we will never get back supporting his business.

People aren't saying the Vikings would do that. What those of us who are saying this, are saying, is that is the only way. If the Vikings don't bite, they don't bite. They shouldn't bite. But you never say never to that number.

That's NOT what that says. "If the Panthers are willing to take on some of Thielen's contract..." Which we very well may be depending on what pick the Vikings would offer. I'd ship him off for a two and cover half of his contract. That would be a massive overpayment by the Vikings but it's not my problem. In the eventual situation that we are building with a new QB next year, we may need more picks.

People keep forgetting about that game like it didn't happen. Sure, the Cardinals and the Falcons were defeated, but it took overtime. Against the real competition for the division, we are so, so far behind. If Baker can play even slightly more consistent on a play to play basis, Tampa Bay could be a dark horse for the Bowl. He's pretty consistent game to game and now he's really got it down to play to play.

It was mentioned earlier in this thread, and then again just below you. Adam is helping Bryce call out the defensive play, and helping with protections it seems. It becomes more obvious when he's out of the game and our offense looks like post chorizo soft baby poo.

If he is the one helping Bryce read defenses, do we really want him gone when we still lost to Tampa 48-14 close to the end of the season? Do we want him gone? I'd say no.

They want us to eat part of his hit, it confirms that we aren't pushing for the playoffs this year. Price went up, take a 2nd, we eat $8 million of his salary.

You're going to be changing your username to PleaseCutT-Mac by Year 3. I'll change mine to "ShouldHaveTakenWarren".

Good, tell them to kick rocks for that. It's that simple. You don't trade your best receiver in a year where you are pushing for the playoffs, with two young guys as your up and comers. Adam's value is on the field and off, and no one can replace that. You trade that away in Week 9 if you find yourself 2-6. Not before the year starts.

He and Shedeur both looked better than Bryce has. I'm not sold on Cam Ward. He's got some bad, bad footwork problems. Dude will make some wow plays but he will also make some wow mistakes this year. His footwork reminds me a lot of Cam's and that was never his strong suit, and why he failed after his shoulder injury.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading for Sanders and seeing if he could be developed here. We have zero plans, and I really don't think it would take Sanders long to produce more than Bryce has. Plus, he's on a 5th round rookie contract and if he became the guy, you instantly have three years to build a core of talent, much of which we already have. I get flamed for this opinion but it is what it is, and I've been right about these type of things the past three years. I said Nix would be a good NFL QB. Wanted to keep Darnold and trade down in 2023. Said QB play wasn't the QB's fault under Rhule, but rather the offensive design. Give me Sanders in the room for a year with Bryce and Dalton, see what he can develop in to on the cheap. There are no really quality QB's coming out this year that aren't Allar or Manning, and Manning may not even be coming out.

If you don't want to part with something, you will keep it. Until the asking price gets to a certain point. You don't trade your best receiver for a 6th round pick. Period. Periodt. Don't even answer the phone without a 3rd being offered. They want him, they will pay for him. Otherwise, tell them to kick rocks.

I keep hearing this but I'm not buying it. The only QB I'd really want would be Manning. Maybe Allar ends up alright but I'm not betting the farm on him. Who else is there? Carson Beck? Quality player with time, folds under pressure. I've watched Joey Aguilar for two years and believe he could be a Day 3 pick which is career back-up with some upside. Good kid. I just don't know that I'm buying "QB rich". There are no generational dudes in this draft and it's reminding me a lot of 2023 when we took Bryce. There is no Daniels, Williams, Maye, and Nix in this class. Keep in mind that's also why I wanted to trade down in 2023. Had we traded down, and sucked, we would have DJ Moore still, and we would have Jayden Daniels, Caleb Williams, or Drake Maye. Let that sink in.

He is the best receiver on the roster and it's not even close. You don't trade him for anything less than a 3rd. If the Vikings are thinking Super Bowl, they will trade that. This team doesn't sniff the postseason without Thielen.

No. Adam is worth more to the offense than a 4th. In my mind, barring the future from discussion, this is playoff or bust time for this staff and this QB. Adam is a huge part of that push to get to the playoffs. If the Vikings want him, and are thinking Super Bowl, they will send a 2nd or 3rd for him. Or a 4th and a player. Otherwise, I don't send him for anything. Thielen is the glue that holds the offense together, and I'm not getting rid of him.

2010 was worse. Not much worse but worse.

May as well be April in my mind. I think this team is going to be bad, early again. Two touchdowns in three preseason games, regardless of how many starters played, is an ominous sign. 0-3 in preseason is even worse. While preseason doesn’t perfectly correlate to wins, going 0-Fer in preseason is almost certainly a sign of a non-playoff team.

I mean, Flacco is definitely better than Bryce. Pickett is a toss-up. Gabriel and Sanders are unknown but, I'd take Sanders on his rookie 5th round deal rather than continue trying with Bryce, but that's just me. Would make the trouble I go through to figure out how to watch the games on Sunday's worthwhile, unlike they have been since Cam got hurt.

Plummer saw "Killebrew" and was like, that's what imma bout to be doing so here ya go Renfrow. "But did you die?"

It really just shows the lack of scouting ability by the Front Office. There are plenty of 3rd teamers better than this that aren't even signed right now. At this point, I think the Panthers don't want Bryce to feel any sense of competition for his job. That's the only thing I can think of. That really just shows how Bryce is, in my opinion. If he was Mahomes-lite, or Burrows, or whomever, you could bring in almost anyone and it wouldn't matter. It really seems like they are trying to protect him.

The parks are empty tonight, everyone went to Charlotte. Watching this on TV is gross man. To be outdone by Steelers fans is one thing. To be outdone by Browns is something else. Gross.

How does Plummer still have a job in the NFL? The Browns have 5 QB's that are better than what we have. That is absurd. Maybe I'm being dramatic and Bryce is third on their list but I don't think I am.

BECAUSE I CAN. And I will continue to say it until someone from the Panthers FO contacts me for a consultation. I've been right about most everything since the end of 2022, including saying that poor QB play wasn't their fault, but rather Rhule's. Then to re-sign Darnold, re-up Wilks, bring back Foreman, trade down in the draft and take Torrance/Kincaid, Mimms, Charbonnet on offense, pick up some interior OL FA's, and double down on the hard nosed run game with hard play action downfield pass game. Looking at the player list there, I was on to something. It is what it is though. I'll never have a say in it so ANYTHING I say is technically pointless, if you want to drill down to the nitty gritty of it.