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I have already explained the "hate" thing. That really shouldn't be a point of contention, but let me apologize for using a figure of speech. You love the thought of drafting DGB in the third round, even though you implied that he isn't doing all that he can to put his best foot forward because he is fat and lazy, and that he must be fooling people purposefully, himself or both about turning the page from his past transgressions. The thing is (as I attempted to explain to you in another thread, and this one actually) is that it is somewhat incongruous to suggest that a guy that you know has first round talent is not worth drafting in the first because of character concerns, but is worth drafting in the third---or any round. If you think that he has bad character and a lazy work ethic, then I can easily argue that he is not worth drafting at all. Basically that's what you are saying in effect anyway because the likelihood of him lasting until the third (if all goes well with his interviews and workouts) is slim and none. So either he is worth taking a chance on in the first or second, or he will not be on the team. Moreover in light of the "new" CBA and our personnel-guru GM, all of this risk about not drafting him in the first or second is largely overblown, because I am nearly 100 percent sure that the Panthers will not suffer long term effects if the worst case scenario would happen. Sure, it wouldn't be good in the short run because we may miss out on another player (particularly a worthy OT or WR, but the draft is relatively deep at both positions), but I personally don't believe that we are going to turn into the Browns or Raiders. Moreover, I would think that as far as guys with the realistic possibility to play in the NFL, that you actually have more guys with troubled pasts who do "turn it around" than don't, but perhaps I am being optimistic. I do know that not everyone is Josh Gordon and Justin Blackmon. Money and reaching a goal makes a lot of guys more settled and secure, and at many times it makes them more introspective and appreciative, particularly if they have good counsel (which I am absolutely sure that this team and locker room will provide).

Just like you aren't in love with the idea of the Panthers drafting this guy, neither is Tiger, but there is no reason to reach for weak reasons to knock the guy who has already admitted to his own mistakes, and by all accounts has done the right things for the past few months to leave his past behind. The implication that he is out of shape, and not just adding muscle and bulk, is really unfounded at this point (before he actually competes no less). This does not bespeak "hate" in the literal sense of the word, but does connote a certain amount of disdain, or unfairness at the very least. Moreover, this is the second time this week that I have "chided" you for using hyperbole to support a largely overblown concept; first that the scope of DGB only relates to business, and the second being that the Huddle is rampant with members that think only in what I will call "hyperbolic extremes". Sure, some may, but I don't believe that it happens as much as you perhaps believe (or would like others think that you believe in order to "clown" someone), and it's certainly not true in my case.

Of course, but his question was to me, and you took it upon yourself to answer it.

I never took you for the peanut gallery.

Another red herring. You already know that's just a figure of speech. You have said a little more than that. Even still, sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it. And sometimes it's saying something without really saying it.

I know that you hate the guy, but this is a red herring. You're better than this.

You may have just answered your own question.

Yeah, he can probably find an old Delhomme jersey in the Goodwill if he is persistent enough.

I would almost rather he be gone so that we don't even have the option rather than pass on him outright. That way I don't have to listen to (or join in) the resulting collective Huddle implosion.

Take another look and try again.

I can see someone not wanting DGB strictly for the off-field issues (I really can), but there is no way that you're telling me that you find a 6'6" freak with soft hands and damned near elite speed that strides like a deer everyday. You just don't, and that's why people are so excited about his upside. He hasn't even been coached up yet. His upside is tremendous. Who cares about a Megatron comparison? Even if he has the skill set and upside of A.J. Green, you have yourself a keeper.

All of these coaches, scouts and analysts are hyping this guy for a reason. I could see if it was just one or two, but DGB apparently has something that all of us plebeians aren't privy to, and I am going to take their word for it until I see different.

They may. But remember that lack of team speed was a primary theme going into this off-season. That, and looking to upgrade any position are the things that I remember the most. I think that Philly is by no means the default speed merchant. He will have some serious competition.

We still need that speed, take-it-to-the-house guy. Funchess is big, strong and athletic, but he is not particularly elusive. His YAC will probably be minimal. People are already speculating that he may play some TE. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy to have him, but we'd need someone else in addition to Funchess (and Benjamin).

JR wasn't crying over domestic violence because people hurt his sensitivities about blowing money on Hardy, he was whining because people hurt his feelings over questioning his ethics---his sense of morality. Like I said in another thread, this sense that we can't gamble on DGB in the first because it's going to mortally hurt the franchise is just overblown in this world of the present CBA. Between the fact that we can in fact rebound fairly quickly from the worst case scenario, as well as have a GM who is a pretty damned good evaluator mitigates any long term malaise from missing on a pick---even a first round pick. Lastly, in light of the above, if your primary reason for passing up DGB is morally based, or based on some trumped up bullshit that he is not worth the gamble in the first, but that he is worth the gamble in the second, then you would be foolish to pass on him In the first, because historically there isn't that much difference between the first and the second from a value-production standpoint (look it up if you don't believe me).

Pretty cool, imo.

If I were the GM, my FA CB target this year would be Buster Skrine. He is a good corner who appears to still have untapped upside, and he shouldn't break the bank.

Been there-done that with Ginn. Give me Moore all day long!

I bet he gets more

Shorts' injury history reads like a grocery list. Nicks has had his injury issues as well. Smith hasn't shown the athleticism or versatility that Moore has, and if those guys have shown flashes of being a WR1, then Moore has as well. I consider all of them WR2s with a certain degree of WR1 upside depending on the circumstances,

Only when the ink is on the paper.

We will draft one.

He will be an unrestricted free agent. No hassles.

I have been singing this tune for the last couple of seasons.

No. Not those who deal in reality. Cam wants a long term deal that will probably amount to somewhere with at least 5 and 70. And even that may be a pipe dream.