Growl

I'm not talking about his scouting ability, he does that well and I give him credit for it. When I speak of his history in New York and trends here, I'm speaking to his philosophy. More specifically, I'm speaking to his philosophy on OL as a whole. As I've said, I don't think he values it as much as he should, and in light of the success (or lack thereof) that we've had with his UDFAs and basement level FAs as a whole, it looks as if it's a significant flaw in his approach.

Yes, I have criticized him for the mistakes he's made, and just because I'm not sitting at his feet huffing the aroma of his freshly cut toes, doesn't mean that I am not aware of what real talent is available to us this offseason beyond the top tier names. Rectifying those two lines of thinking as capable of coexisting within one mindset has been the most difficult and frustrating part for the posters here who try to bill anyone who doesn't squeal in exuberance for the wisdom of The Dave as michael Oher or Byron bell allow yet another defender to blow by them as some sub-human smut while shouting "dis ain't madden brah!" so as to avoid any real or difficult questions on how an all-knowing and irreproachable *gasp* NFL employee! could possibly make a mistake that was detrimental to our team. I mean that just doesn't happen ever and how dare I insinuate otherwise.

I'm saying that I feel like Gettleman's history both here (and in New York, on the matter of offensive lineman in themselves) is enough to suggest that we probably shouldn't just assume this is a routine depth move on the path to truly fulfilling the need in the draft. In fact, if that is the case, and he is waiting for the draft to address needs, I'm wondering just how many picks he thinks he has in the Top 60 before the starter level rookies start to drop off pretty significantly. Even if we do have an OT fall in our lap come draft night, it still doesn't address the other positions of needs on the roster, which is where my frustration of the last few days is born.

If this was true then he would've provided a stronger measure of competition for the position than he did. At the time I thought he just got suckered into the Bell hype from Ronny because that's Ronny's boy. But when you look at Gettleman's history and commentary on the position as a whole, as I stated earlier in the thread, I just don't think he values the offensive line all that much. Which is dumb.

I feel like past is prologue is viable system of belief here.

I think people make posts like this with the notion that they are being "clever" or what have you, but all it really suggests is shame in them for not being familiar with the options that are available to us at the position this offseason. "Zomg growl this is MICHAEL OHER he was the guy in the blindside movie and his mom is sandra bullock, are we really gonna find a bigger name than that?! #toe #lefthanded #shrewdspending #kingsofthesouth #panthersroolsuperbowlsdrool " I have made many posts on this year's OT pool/class. You're more than welcome to check those threads if you please.

I actually believe you spoke to your "slice" again because as usual, it's wrong again (or was your "source" another deluded fantasy in line with your take on our personnel moves, please enlighten me' I'm curious) I like Gettleman a lot, actually. He does a number of things quite well. I however, unlike the rest of the blind masses that ignorantly drone out his praises when he makes poor decisions, am willing to recognize those failures and hope that he makes corrections. When he doesn't, as is my position as a fan, I can call him out in those errors. But please by all means let me know what your insider has to say, does he talk to you in your head too?

Come October this board will look like it does every year. It's not "cool" to say things that go against the homer narrative I know, but let's at least please act like adults with some measure of impartiality. I get that you guys don't like to be confronted with reality, I do, this is your favorite team and you'd rather kid yourself than face the facts. But all I ask is that you please don't come crying once the season starts. This board looks like this every single year. Every year. The offseason rolls around, Tiquan underwood gets signed, and all the "cool guys" respond to anybody who dares question the all impartial homer narrative with hyperbole and insults. Then the season is played, and surprise suprise, Tiquan Underwood can't make the roster or ends up being the reason the team isn't very good. Forgive me i choose to be a little bit better. Delude yourself if you like. Guess what? Dave Gettleman screwed up last year. He thought Byron Bell would be a good LT. He was wrong. Byron bell ended up being one of the worst offensive lineman in the league and was even directly responsible for a game changing play for the worst in the most important game of the year. And now? Now he hasn't learned from his mistakes. Gettlemagic is all I can really say.

Yeah but what does your source have to say

When has Gettleman ever smokescreened If the guy thinks Oher is our starting LT than you can settle on Byron er um michael Oher as our starting LT. Out only hope now is that a guy falls onto our lap who isn't supposed to come draft day.

Yes, he's been such a guru when evaluating out offensive tackles over his tenure here. Completely worthy of my blind faith.

I honestly don't think that Gettleman values offensive linemen that much. When you look at his history with the Goants, his perpetual comments about players needing to "gel" rather than acquiring talent, and our annual complacency with just sticking absolutely anybody at the position and saying "Oh yeah, bro. We're good now." I honestly don't think the man just values offensive lineman all that much. Which is a shame, because he's absolutely and hilariously wrong in doing so and it's going to cost this team (and it's QB) success.

Yeah man, you're totally right, Michael Crabtree has never played the X and has never put up big production from there , how could I have not known that. In fact let's just shut this thread down and draft the kid from the U, he runs really fast which is what you need to be successful at the nfl level, especially at the X where the majority of your routes are your 3, 4, 5, and 6 patterns Man how could I have forgotten

Hope we dont draft that QB out of Auburn. Guy is going to go off any second.

i just hope we do something interesting during the night so i dont wake up to extreme disappointment and the same dumb threads.

What I'm saying is that I'm ready and loaded for bare.

oh just wait! its totally gonna catch up to them one day! five years I tell ya! five years and it's totally gonna catch up!

That's not exactly the best endorsement of his abilities but alright. As I said, we're signing a holdover and clearly in the market for another rookie WR, this year or next. I'd rather have somebody I can trust guarding the base while that happens. Moore is an experimental player with upside.

Johnson hasn't been cut yet.

Ravens fans probably hated steve smith until he signed there.

Good post, but it says to me that Denarius Moore is still largely an unknown commodity. My personal desire for a WR in free agency was to acquire a player who we know what we are getting because of the increasingly seeming desire by the FO to add another young rookie at the position in the draft. Crabtree is a proven, quality, very well rounded WR who not only allows us to go OT in the first, but hold down the fort until a 2nd or 3rd rounder hopefully develops. We don't know that we are getting that in Moore.

I have long believed the people that spew the same garbage about others "clamoring" for.Suh or Mike Wallace or whatever every time the suggestion of bringing in quality free agent players was just an intentionally ignorant reactionary response to try and deflect having to formulate a rational response as to why we weren't acquiring talent, but it's posts like this that make me think your "squad" of people doesnt actually understand what makes good players and what good players are and can't see beyond the top names themselves, and that growing belief is further validated by the fact that you think Denver is the only team utilizing free agency as a significant tool in what made them a great team (which is an absolutely ridiculous fallacy)

The same posters that take the "Look at me I'm smart I'm saying the things the tv says" in out approach to free agency will be the exact same posters to put a 4.3 12 catch backup in your face and say he's better than a 4.5 established talent

This sounds more and more like an exceptional addition to our offense with each passing page

Yes but can he run really fast in a straight line and make Huddlers feel really smart for "finding" him? I think not