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Video shows he is a great run blocker and a sub par pass blocker who needs help. He struggles with leaning, kick step, and overall pass pro when left alone to block the QBs blind side. QB must keep his head on a swivel and not trust his LT one on one with a top speed rusher/blitzer. He is going to need 2 to 3 more seasons to develop into an average pass blocker who will not require other blockers to help him out. He'd be an all pro OG right now no question. He isn't going to sniff the all pro list as an OT with his pass blocking. He'll be a starter in the NFL for a while, but his best position is OG. As long as he is at OT, I expect him to cost his team 2 to 3 wins per season.

The video features teams like Vanderbilt, Utah State, Mississippi St, and Louisiana Monroe. You'd be better off evaluating him off his Mater Dei video. There are only 12 games worth evaluating for Bryce Young to assess his ability to transfer his skills to the NFL. Of these 12 games, he was 60% completions or below in 5 of them and 2 of them he was sub 50%. The 3 valid plays in the video to evaluate come from 2 of Young's Ls and he was 49% completion against LSU. The video featured a desperation play against LSU that was his 1 TD pass, and that is after he had been picked off in the endzone from inside the 10 doing the same style of QB play. In these games, Young threw for just over 1 TD per game on average and his opposing QB threw for more than 2 TDs on average. Young is also a sub 35% conversion rate passer on 3rd down, 4th down, and goal to go. I believe Peter King has it right with Atlanta having the edge to start the season in the NFC South. The Saints will at least be steady and push for the playoffs with Carr. The Bucs and Panthers could be flipped, but neither will be the worst team in the NFL. I expect Bryce Young's career to follow a Steve Young with the disadvantage of being smaller. He will be a very intelligent QB who will struggle with his first team and be tossed for a more promising #1 QB (likely Arch Manning in 2026/2027). A successful playoff franchise will pick Young up and keep him as the #2 until they elevate him to be their #1 QB at the age of 30. We will see. Enjoy the ride.

Ridder has 4 games started under his belt and he is 2-2. Drafted in the 3rd round and was available to the Panthers. Bryce Young is 1 of 27 QBs drafted #1 overall (The Panthers have had 5 of these QBs and their most successful franchise QB was undrafted). Only 5 of them have won a SB for the team they started for as a rookie (Bradshaw, Elway, Aikman, P.Manning, and E.Manning). No other team has paid as much as the Carolina Panthers to leverage their franchise for a #1 QB. The expectations for success of Bryce Young is extremely high and the pressure is greater than any of these other QBs. Bryce Young must be as good as these HoF QBs to even consider him to be a breakeven success. He must be the best of this group to consider him a true success. Otherwise, he is no better than any other good QB you can get in the NFL regardless of draft position. This is what the Panthers have done to Young with the price they decided to pay and the believe that he is this impressive. This is an all-in move that will make a front office look like a genius or complete fool. In their rookie seasons: Aikman had 0 wins, an 11 game losing streak max, and a rookie season of nothing but Ls. Eli had 1 win, a 6 game losing streak max, no winning streaks, and 6 Ls to start his career. Peyton had 3 wins, a 4 game losing streak max, no winning streaks, and 4 Ls to start his career. Bradshaw had 4 wins, a 3 game losing streak max, a 2 game winning streak, and 3 Ls to start his career. Elway had 4 wins, a 6 game losing streak max, a 2 game winning streak, and 2 Ws to start his career. My minimum expectation for Young in his rookie season given the franchise investment is 7 wins, a 2 game losing streak max, a 3 game winning streak, and 3 Ws to start his career. An opening day loss to Ridder is unacceptable.

Mayfield v Evero Mayfield 51 - Evero 14 Evero still needs to prove himself. Until then Bucs have the advantage. Evero may be worse than Mayfield.

The other issue with Young is 3rd and long, but that needs another thread to discuss all those issues at Alabama. As long as it is not 3rd and long, 3rd and short, 4th and short, redzone, goal line, or backed up against his own goal line, the Panthers coaching staff wont have to worry about covering for Young. He is a 33% conversion QB in these critical possessions. In the NFL that will get you ranked in the bottom 5. I understand why the Panthers and Reich don't mind it. The Colts and Panthers were 2 of the 5 worst teams in the NFL last year. 33% would look good to them. Good teams are above 40% and the best teams are around 50%. Alabama went 3 and out. Kicked FGs. Leaned on their defense and Brian Robinson. Young got sacked a lot in these situations running out of the pocket. He did not throw the ball away and took a loss of yards. They got flags in these situations to give them an automatic first down after failing to convert. Refs kept drives alive. Young would throw INTs with blind passes in the endzone after a panic and scramble, but I've heard he makes his mistakes look so good we will all not care about the outcome. He was much worse on the road than he was at home. Road games will be rough, and he will need a lot of help. There are always the Young roll out, make a man miss, and shovel pass, which works so well in the NFL. Point guard revolution of the QB position is coming.

You continue to lie. Those who follow know my view on Ekwonu. I NEVER said Ekwonu was a bust. You keep saying that. I believe Ekwonu can be an all pro and is one of the best run blockers in the NFL. Yes, Aqeel Glass was one of 4 QBs that made my draft board of about 80 players in 2023. Those QBs are Ridder, Glass, Purdy, and Coan. I would have seen promise at the QB position by drafting any of those QBs - not just Glass. Ridder and Purdy will be starting NFL QBs. Coan has multiple NFL teams wanting him in their camp right now. Glass is developing in a pro system in the USFL and has had interest from the XFL, USFL, and NFL. As for coach Flip, John DeFilippo, he has had success in the NFL, but has been overlooked as an NFL head coach. He was the most critical offensive coach in for the 2017 SB champion Eagles. Better than Pederson, Reich, and Staley. The Panthers offensive coaching staff from Reich to McCown is thankful for what he did for them. Defilippo finally got his head coaching opportunity and has featured his story and battle. He is showing himself to be one of the better head coaches in professional football. He wins his players and gets them buying in almost instantly while executing an NFL pro offense. He has a serious talent for identifying championship talent in QBs and developing them quickly just like Bill Walsh. Get it right!

Mayfield and Carr beat Evero's defense. Evero and Capers struggle to defend these two QBs. Expect Young to have rookie struggles against NFL defenses and SB winning HCs who were defensive coordinators when they won their ring. Ridder has as much potential as Young with a season head start and some better offensive weapons in London, Pitts, Patterson, Allgeier, and Robinson. The Panthers are the most unproven team in the NFC South. If Young can't carry the Panthers for 20 games, the Panthers finish as the 3rd or 4th team in the NFC South. I hope Young surprises me and is Michael Jordan and Steph Curry rolled up into one as an NFL QB for week 1. I hope he is better than 1958 Johnny Unitas, 1981 Joe Montana, 2001 Tom Brady, and 2019 Patrick Mahomes in year 1. We all know that just isn't likely and he'll have to be carried by his defensive coordinator and playmaker. The problem is the Panthers don't have any playmaker. Good players they do have, but they are void of playmakers or championship leaders. Burns, Shaq, Brown, Thielen, Sanders, and Hurst are not playmakers with the game on the line. It was CMC and the hope for DJ Moore to breakout that were the playmakers. Maybe Chinn and Horn as the hope for breakout playmakers now? Panthers have too many unknowns and unproven players. They need 2 to 3 of these players to be game winning playmakers. Go to GOATs. They need 9 championship leaders to emerge before the season starts. This is the reality.

Enjoy. You must have missed this game.

Yep. 3 was his low. He got fired. Just like Rivera did during the season. I'm sure if we favored you and your defense of Reich's worst season while finding reasons to say Rivera would not have had a better season, we could toss in 3 wins for Reich, right? Of course not. You want to be fair and favor Reich. Let's just extrapolate because that wouldn't skew anything, right? Let's be nice an do that giving him 1 more win for 12 games. So, you don't get all teary eyed I'll throw in the 0.125 extra - 4.125 wins on the season for fairness with 12 games played. No way Reich would have led that Colts team to a 4-12-1 season. All the numbers were accurate and fair because 2 coaches were fired and should be penalized for not completing a season. Not excuses as to someone else being to blame for them losing their jobs for not winning. I still don't see 12 and 15 win seasons on that list for his first 5 seasons. Do we give the other coaches breaks too for the player problems they had and couldn't correct? No you don't. That should make you happy. I wouldn't expect you to defend Rivera for me giving him his lowest win total for his fired season. Why would you do that? How about you use some actual stats instead of listing his 5 years with no championships and hoping people see two 10+ win seasons and think the other coaches couldn't do better in their first 5 years in the NFL. Don't do a side by side, because Reich will be behind the other two.

Have you seen how Evero and Capers defense performs against Carr and Mayfield? You expect to win the division if they can't figure out how to defend those QBs?

Try again. I said he is unproven in 5 years at winning at the same LEVEL as the others. Reich has proven he can win regular season games and get to the playoffs like an average coach. He has not proven he can win a division title or have consistent playoff success. Capers won a division championship and was in the NFC Championship game in his 2nd season. Fox won a division championship and went to the SB in his 2nd season. Rivera won a division championship in his 3rd, 4th, and 5th season while going to the SB. Reich better match that in a 3 to 5 year window with the Panthers or he'll have had a decade of mediocrity as a head coach. I'm sure you already know this and don't want to think of Reich as more of the same, unproven, or worse. He needs to establish success of winning in the playoffs quickly.

Reich 11 win max. 3 win min. 8.0 win avg. .547 win % (9 wins). 0 SB. Rivera 15 win max. 5 win min. 8.2 win avg. .521 win % (9 wins). 1 SB. Fox 13 win max. 2 win min. 8.3 win avg. .520 win % (9 wins). 2 SB; 3 conference championship games. Hanging your hat on .027 win % to call Reich the more successful head coach? That is less than half a win over a 17 game schedule. Both Rivera and Fox were more successful than Reich in their first 4 to 5 years of being a NFL head coach. Reich needs to prove himself, and he is not an elite coach. He is more of the same. Definitely better than Rhule.

He is trying to say... Frank Reich has yet to prove he can coach a team to win at the level Rivera, Fox, and Capers did as NFL head coaches. Reich falls just short of Capers as an 8 to 10 win coach. QB development in Philadelphia that led to their 2017 SB championship was not done by Reich or Pederson. Bryce Young needs to prove he is better than he was in college when he had to pass 30 or more times in a game. The Tennessee, LSU, Texas, Auburn, and Texas A&M defenses beat him up and frustrated him to the point he looked awful. He was 8-4 in games that were worth evaluating. He doesn't have players like Metchie, Williams, Robinson, or Gibbs with the Panthers. He doesn't have the Alabama defense or Nick Saban to mask his mistakes and failed 3 and outs. Bryce Young needs to prove he can slide, take even more hits than he did in college, and keep his helmet from bouncing off the turf. Saban clearly does not prioritize training QBs on how to stay healthy. The Panthers have zero foundation with coaching staff and players. Culture has yet to be set. Everyone is going to be learning a new system and the defense is having to make a dramatic shift with noticeable personnel holes that can easily be attacked by offensive coordinators. Thomas Brown will not be making the play calls and is in his first year as an OC. Evero was a first year DC last season and was outcoached leading to Hackett getting fired and Wilson taking the blame for all the GWD situations the Broncos defense put him in. Wilson put the Broncos in position to win several games and the Broncos defense couldn't stop the other teams GWD. Evero had 3 OT losses because the defense couldn't protect a lead and followed those 4th quarter lost leads up with giving up GWDs in OT. Sam Darnold made Evero's defense look bad. Evero gave up 12 scoring drives on 20 total drives to Derek Carr. Evero gave up 51 points in a single game to Baker Mayfield. Carr and Mayfield have no problem winning with Evero as DC. Evero needs to prove he can stop Carr and Mayfield. If he struggles with Carr and Mayfield, he will likely struggle with Ridder too. How many of you knew Evero struggled like this with Capers by his side as an advisor? The Panthers have a lot to prove and are a step behind their division competitors no matter how elite you believe Reich, Brown, and Evero are with a rookie QB under extreme pressure that is currently not near the level of Russell Wilson (who is no longer among the top QBs in the NFL). This season for the Panthers in the NFC South is not going to be as easy as many of you think. The most probable outcome is Fitterer is questioned with no 1st round pick for next year and the Panthers being swept by Carr, Ridder, and Mayfield giving up more than 30 points on average to them in all 6 games. Young MUST be an immediate success and carry a team with the ability to put up 30+ points in games with his arm if the Panthers stand a chance in 2023. While the Panthers have some good players with weak leadership, Young does not have any playmakers or proven coaches on offense or defense to lean on. I see 2 wins on the schedule with 5 close games that could go either way if Bryce Young struggles as a rookie and cannot carry the team for a full season. Hope I am wrong and he is NFLs Steph Curry out of the gate controlling games and pulling out GWDs at a Tom Brady level to push the Panthers over 10 wins and into the playoffs with Evero being the best defensive coach in the game keeping most QBs under 20 points a game.

Reich will feature only 2 to 3 WRs. He does not have his work horse vet WR, so I expect to see 3 WRs. Targets: Thielen 90; Sanders 70; Chark 70; Mingo 60; Hurst 60; Hubbard 30; Tremble 30; Thomas 30 All other WR/RB/TE will split 60 targets. Decent 1 and done playoff offense if Young does not struggle and the defense comes together quickly. Based on Young's games of 30+ pass attempts, I expect Young to struggle with sacks, batted balls, INTs, QB hits, and NFL level QB spies. The defense will have a few major holes offenses will easily slow play. The opportunity to fill all the holes on defense, running game, and receiving targets was available this offseason, but the front office missed on the players needed to build a championship contending roster in year 1 of the rebuild. 7 wins on the low end and 10 wins on the high end with a wildcard loss is the range. After training camp and preseason, we will have a better understanding of where they are headed this year. I have the Panthers out working 5 NFC teams in the offseason, and 4 of those teams are better equipped for playoff success. Training camp and preseason are next with the Panthers need for hope of some surprise playmakers emerging from the roster.

Astronomical odds for the roster being 25% undrafted players? 1 of 4 players undrafted. Those odds are not astronomical. UDFAs replace failed draft picks more than most believe they do - every year. Thielen would disagree with you.

Panthers finished last when it came to the 2023 war rooms. The Panthers could have taken a lesson from the Texans, Eagles, and Bengals on how to use the draft.

Josh Vann > Jonathan Mingo Bumper Pool > DJ Johnson Nico Bolden > Jammie Robinson UDFAs the Panthers signed are better than the players they drafted. Who is running this comedy of errors?

Looks like Reich, Evero, and Brown are banging their heads on the table as they sit next to a smiling Fitterer.

Fitterer has gone full Gettleman mode, but instead of going with freakishly big players, Fitt goes with the swiss army knife project players. No need to use the draft to build a team. 5 picks a year and trading away 1st round picks during year 1 of a rebuild will lead to a dynasty. No windows for players or coaches here.

Maybe he'll play TE on 3rd down offense, Edge on 3rd down defense, and special teams. Who thought this was a good pick in the 3rd round with several impact players still on the board?

No he is not. He is not a high character player and tends to be a hot head with little to no playmaking impact. JAG with potential that only a select few believe they can develop. He should have been a 5th round development player at best. This FO with FItt is the same. They continue to trade up for developmental players they have no intention of using as impact players and reach with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks for players that will not be key players to win a championship. The Panthers continue to give away draft capital to other teams. Wasted championship level draft capital on QB after QB, and now this waste of draft capital. So much for the high character BS from the organization.

A reach in the early second round, but a decent WR. Not a #1. Maybe a #2. Won't be one of the top WRs from this draft, but he will have a long career. One of the few WRs in this draft that lines up with what Reich wants in his WRs.

Killed for years by Brees? He went to 3 championship games in his career. He didn't do anything until his 30s with 1 playoff win. He capitalized when the Panthers were rebuilding. He didn't win against Delhomme or Cam. He went 16-11 as a Saint against the Panthers. He was 1-5 until 2009. He was 3-5 against the Panthers from 2012 to 2016. Bryce Young does the same and the Panthers will have 1 playoff win in the next 9 seasons until Young has mastered the game at his size. Then the winning starts when the rest of the division is having problems. Maybe 1 SB in 2 decades. Is that what you wanted? Bryce Young doesn't get past his rookie contract if he struggles like Brees did in his 20s. I hope that isn't the case and Tepper's reinvention of the QB position in the NFL works. We know his last fringe experiment was a flop.

There have been 79 championship QBs in the NFL since 1981. 10 of them are 3rd round picks and only 29 3rd round QBs have been given an opportunity to lead a franchise (34.5%). 40.7% of 1st round QBs who have received an opportunity to lead a franchise have joined this championship game club since the 80s. So, most 1st round picks don't succeed either, and they have the expectation of succeeding. For comparison, 6th round to undrafted QBs who have been given a chance to lead a franchise have made it to the championship club 18.9% of the time. If you just focus on successful franchise QBs who were able to get a team to commit to them for at least 2 seasons, then 50.6 of 1st round QBs, 58.8% of 3rd round QBs and 30.4% of 6th round to undrafted QBs get to championship status. So, if a team were to commit to Matt Corral for 2 seasons, there is a high probability he will get to the playoffs, a higher probability he would get to a championship game compared to 1st round picks, and an even higher probability he would get to a SB faster than a 1st round pick. Now, if your question is about 1st rounders being given franchise opportunities at a greater rate than 3rd round picks, you would be correct. You can't factor in QBs who are never given a scarce franchise opportunity when measuring success or ability. There will always be more QBs available to draft in a single season than there are franchise QB opportunities, and there will always be the Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach, Mark Rypien, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, and Brad Johnson QBs that are never realized as the Justin Fields, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, David Klingler, Rick Mirer, Jeff George, Tim Couch, David Carr, Sam Bradford, and Jameis Winston QBs consume and waste these franchise opportunities at insanely increasing rates over the past 15 seasons.

You need to go over the list of 1st round QBs over the past 10 to 15 seasons and see where they rank in playoff wins. Only 3 to 4 with the return to call them a successful pick. Only 17 1st round QBs in 57 drafts that have returned that value. 3 QBs worth a 1st round pick on average per decade. 30 QBs selected in the 1st round in the past decade. So many 1st round pick QBs in the NFL now, and they still can't dominate the conference championships or win more than 1 playoff game. Always the Brock Purdy, Jalen Hurts, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Jimmy G, Drew Brees, Case Keenum, Russell Wilson, and Colin Kaepernick at QB who are going to beat those 1st round QBs over the next decade to take their spot among NFL QB champions.