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We haven’t had a coach whose playcalling didn’t deserve to be critiqued.

Didn’t even notice they were gone, tbh.

Well they aren’t using 2 roster spots on a long snapper I don’t think so what’s the point?

When they say “realistic” just know it means intentionally bad.

Panthers just putting it out there so nobody jumps into the end of the first round for a WR or C.

I should have included this in my first post but can’t edit anymore. I also think the potential value of the pick to other teams will largely depend on what New England does. New England is the only team until pick 44 that will be looking at QB, and that is only if they don’t draft one at pick 3. If NE doesn’t draft a QB at pick 3, I could also see them potentially trading back into the end of the first round to get a QB with the 5th year option and also prevent a team from jumping ahead of them via trade with us to get their guy. Every other team from pick 33 to 44 either has their QB, has a QB they drafted high last year that they’re still committed to, or will be drafting a QB high in the first round. That being said, it would take an awful lot for me to trade all the way down to pick 44 or lower if I’m the Panthers, and I don’t see why a team would be trying to come all the way up to 33 for a QB if the Patriots get a QB in round 1. 39 may end up being the more likely pick to be traded to teams trying to get ahead of the Raiders at 44.

For some perspective, notable recent #33 picks include: Will Levis, Tyson Campbell, Tee Higgins, Austin Corbett. The Cardinals received picks 41, 72, and a 2024 3rd from the Titans last year for pick 33 and 81. Both these picks the Cardinals gave up were picks they had received in trades in the first round. I don’t think this pick was as valuable or important to the Cardinals as it is to us since it is our first pick of this draft and may be our only shot to get a first round talent.

They love to trade our pick 33 for poo in these mock drafts. The Panthers better not trade our potential starting Center for the next decade for a nickel corner and a bottom of the third round TE. Trade value charts be damned. There will be guys there that we have first round grades on, and you want the Panthers to drop 20 spots and give up a legitimate premium player for a 3rd round pick this year and next year? Gtfo.

Just one more loss for the 3rd worst record and even odds for the #1 pick. Anybody know how the tie breakers would work if the Hornets win the final game and end with the same record as SA and Portland?

We’re discussing him because hours ago the Jags signed his better counterpart to the exact same deal, which was information we did not previously have and makes the Panthers deal look better. You knew this was a thread about the Burns deal before you opened it nobody is forcing you to talk about it, I just don’t see the point in you trying to keep others from talking about it.

Great contribution. God forbid we discuss something that just happened today that adds perspective to something that happened just a month ago. There’s so much else going on right now after all.

Josh Allen of the Jags just signed pretty much the exact same deal as Brian Burns. 5 Years, $150m, $88m guaranteed. Both guys are about the same age (25 & 26yrs old), same measurables (6’5 250ish), first round draft picks in the 2019 draft, similar career sack numbers (45 & 46). But uh oh, there’s a few key differences. Josh Allen is coming off the best year of his career with 17.5 sacks. Brian Burns is coming off his second worst behind only his rookie season. Josh Allen lost half of the 2020 season to injury and their career sack totals are neck and neck despite Brian Burns playing 6 more games. And Josh Allen is twice the run defender Burns is with a run defense grade of 82.4 to Burns’ 56.3 over the past 2 seasons, and a pass rush win rate of 17.5% to Burns’ 11.6%. We actually got the Giants to send us the 39th pick in the draft for the right to overpay Brian Burns.

Idk, we need to get really scientific here. Anybody have a waist up picture of him next to Mina Kimes?

Glad to see they’ve got their priorities in order: 1. Virtue signal so you can get an espn article. 2. Find the right HC.

Lol imagine crying about the dude not looking swole after 3 months and then talking about reality.

Lol is that a dam sports bra?

The buzz surrounding McConkey reminds me a lot of the pre draft buzz with OBJ. He starts the draft process as a 2nd round prospect and you just keep hearing about his route running and separation and it doesn’t add up to a second round prospect. Then sure enough on draft day he goes top 20.

I’m confused, didn’t OP say the names he listed would be his mock, not the Athletic’s? Anybody know who the Athletic mocked?

It’s behind a paywall. Can you tell us who they picked for the Panthers?

Can’t wait for the meltdown if he signs with another team.

Yeah I don’t doubt it. The only reason I know who he is is because I ran a draft simulator a few times and it was always him and Kris Jenkins son on the board as best available for our 4th round pick so I looked them up to see the difference. Thought it might be nice to pick up a big space eater like Sweat in those mid rounds but not keen on the positional value earlier when we already have Robinson.

I thought Sweat was more like a 4th-5th round prospect. I’d be fine taking him in those later rounds but not earlier.

While I agree Horn’s injuries could not be predicted since he didn’t have a history of them coming out of college, I don’t think he’s proven to be better than Surtain when healthy. Who knows, maybe if he had stayed injury free he would have been better and he just hasn’t been able to develop as much due to the injuries. Hard to fault the team for that when they were neck and neck in pre draft evals. HOWEVER, acting like Ickey has ever been “really good” in pass pro is some wild revisionist history. He was a dominant run blocker coming out of college who teams thought could develop into an elite LT based on his size and athleticism, but his weaknesses coming out of college remain his weaknesses now. We decided to run the ball for 75% of the snaps for half a season in 2022 and people thought that meant our OL could pass pro. So nonsensical.

Except he’ll be an unrestricted free agent so there’s no guarantee they get to bring him back if they want to. Pretty strange deal.