Mr. Scot

And who couldn't replicate his prior success even though he was coaching one of the premier teams in the league with the acknowledged best receiver in the game. Also a coach who absolutely insisted on control and likely wouldn't be able to handle today's players.

You go with the better option, contract be damned. If they don't think Lance is better than a seventh round rookie, that says something.

You mentioned coaches having been successful this year. I'd call that 'recent". I would add since you're arguing for retreads, the historically successful retreads you were talking about were overwhelmingly guys who did not win a Super Bowl on their previous job. As has been mentioned here before, no Super Bowl winning coach has ever replicated that success with a second team.

Given what they gave up to get him, they're not exactly set to make a profit on this either way.

Not exactly... Honestly sounds like Payton is taking the initiative, but I'm not sure he'd do so without some positive indication from the Broncos.

The hypothetical is that they're moving on from him. If we were moving on from somebody we'd given up massive draft capital to get after just two years, and doing so in favor of a seventh round rookie, what would you think?

Right now, we absolutely are. There's hope that we can crawl out of this position, but at the moment that's where we're at.

If he can't make it in a Shanahan system after two years of practice, that'd be a huge red flag for me.

Who are the other three coaches besides Reid that are still in the Super Bowl race? For that matter, who were last year's Super Bowl coaches?

Not Just the draft picks, but the full control aspect. Joe Person pointed out that Payton would likely fire the existing football people in favor of his own guys. That tells me the existing guys probably aren't big fans of hiring Payton.

Because it ignores experienced coaches like Frank Reich, Don Martindale, Rich Bisaccia and others. But we haven't interviewed very many of those guys, and I'd still take it over going with someone like Payton.

Saints reporter Jeff Duncan... So not even an officially scheduled interview so much as Payton just flying out there and planning to meet with them. That does sound kind of ominous.

I'm talking about methodology (see above)

That's why you do research and involve smart football people. If all you're doing is falling for the best sales pitch, that's how you end up with a guy like Rhule.

The norm for the NFL right now is hiring young offensive guys, not retreads.

Matt Rhule was the best sales pitch last time. How'd that work out? Being able to sell yourself as being good is not the same as actually being good.

And then yet again fell for the sales pitch from the big name.

There's a fair amount of chatter from reliable sources that he's already won the starting job for next year. Whether that's true or not though (and I'm not a big believer) what he's shown is that he can effectively run what's known to be a pretty quarterback friendly system, and it didn't really take him much time to pick it up. The 49ers have seen Lance in not only the few games he's played but in a couple of years worth of practices. If the stories about him not being able to pick up that same offense despite having much more time to do so are true, that's a huge red flag.

The successful ones all started out as unknowns that someone took a chance on. I'd much rather find the next Sean McVay than the next Miami version of Jimmy Johnson.

The notion that just because he was successful somewhere else he'll be equally successful here is one of the biggest fallacies in sports.

Falling for the big name in the media again rather than being patient and looking objectively at all the options would pretty much cement for me that he's too stupid to be a successful owner.

I hope he's not dumb enough to pull that sh-t again.

@CPantherKing desperately craves attention and apparently thinks trolling a football message board is a good way to get it. He's been coming here for years doing the same pathetic sh-t. You'd think at some point he'd outgrow it and get a life but I guess not. Gotta wonder how old he is.

No thanks. I like being married...and alive