kungfoodude

Yeah and for all the mechanics shade that gets thrown at the other prospects, Trevor has those issues too. If he doesn't fix that stuff coming into the NFL, he could easily be the 2rd, 3rd, 4th best guy in this class. It will be up to him to not start reading his own press clippings and buckle in to doing what it takes to be a successful NFL player.

Chicago broadcasters laughing about Necas getting KO'ed last trip to Chicago. Alright Karma.....let's get these assholes.

He can but those top three guys have physical and/or football attributes that Trevor simply does not, hence the "higher ceiling" comment. And I don't mean that across the board, moreso they have specific things in their football toolkit that they do better than Lawrence, so if they reach their full potential, they would be better than Trevor is capable of being. As we know, not many of these prospects reach their full potential.

Potential is the key word. Those top three guys have higher ceilings than Trevor, IMO. Trevor is the closest to being at his ceiling already.

I think Fields has the second highest ceiling behind Lance. If you rank on potential: 1. Lance 2. Fields 3. Wilson 4. Lawrence 5. Mond Everyone else.

Nice camp body if nothing else. Nothing wrong with a gamble.

I am surprised he is such a polarizing guy. I assumed that the bulk would have him as a late first or 2nd round grade. But....the teams at the top of the draft....well....

So the fan and media view of Jones is not widely shared by the actual NFL talent evaluators?

Cart.....horse.

Was it the same length of time you stopped watching the NFL?

I suppose you are the Madden QB lover?

I feel like you were frozen in time about 20-25 years ago.

No because Minshew is insanely cheap, has had more success in the NFL and has more years left on his deal.

It would be a 2022 pick as a conditional.

I am not sure there would be a bidding war for a guy like Darnold. Keep in mind that he is on the last year of his deal.

Conditional 4th is reasonable

I think they will want more than peanuts, unfortunately.

Possibly that it is it. We will see.

Teddy was genuinely a mistake to sign at the contract that we signed him to. I think a lot of us felt that way at the time and in hindsight it even looked worse. I am as perplexed as you about what spurred this sudden push to compete. What changed in a year's time from when Tepper was preaching the long term rebuild? Did we perform better than expected? Yeah, but I didn't see us as being close to contending. I saw a year showing we had some nice pieces to build on. Our roster was still just as bad as it was projected to be. We will see how this turns out. It's been a very odd offseason with the signings we have made so far. I hope we are able to do better in the draft. At least then we can start to maybe see the light at the end of the tunnel with a couple of more successful drafts.

I get balking at the price but finding "the" QB is difficult. Not every attempt works out when you need a guy, first round or not. I would be all for trading up to get a guy in this draft or trading for another very good QB. Sadly, both those ships have probably sailed. Now we should probably just stand pat hope someone falls to us at 8. If not, draft a mid-round QB or sign a veteran QB to shore us up for a season or two. I am not against trading for someone like Minshew, if the price makes sense. I don't see any way we can move forward with Teddy this season the way things went. I don't envision it being a positive environment for anyone on the team.

Yeah, that is a different argument. Fair point. The non-first round QB's stick out precisely because they are outliers. They are the exception, not the rule. Go look at PFR and you'll see how rare it is to have a non-first round QB pan out. It's not exactly something that isn't common knowledge. Hence all my snide remarks. Panthers fans always tend to fixate on these outliers and ignore the trends/history. I suppose that shouldn't be surprising, as we had two recent GM's that lived on the idea that they knew better than anyone else when it came to drafting. I think that crept into at least a portion of our fans as a mindset. It's also why we have so many fans that cannot wrap their heads around the idea of positional value during the draft.

Well he does have better career TD% and INT% than Teddy, although not by much. I will say that he has had 15+ passing TD's 8 times in his career, something Teddy has only done once. IMO, Alex Smith is the starting caliber version of Teddy.

He is a rare gunslinger that has taken care of the ball, too. I am all for getting him as a Teddy replacement. Our games would at least be fun to watch again. Ryan Fitzpatrick 2.0 is a good comparison. I'd take him or a later round QB over Teddy.

Alex Smith was far better than Teddy.

And you can basically count on one hand the times that a non-elite QB has won a Super Bowl in the past 25 seasons. There is a pretty obvious reason for that.