kungfoodude

Well, to be fair, there are also plenty of times you see some "business decisions" and/or fairly low intensity play on bad franchises. It is obviously very draining on players to go out there and lose week in and week out. Good example being the 2010 Panthers(or was it 2001?) where several of our longer tenured players said they saw the FO basically set them up to fail prior to the season starting. I am sure that creates a different atmosphere. The NFL is still a business, after all.

There are ample examples of former NFL players coaches talking about guys that didn't put in the work and ended up out of the league in short order. My God, remember JaMarcus Russell as the most famous example?

They also aren't hurting for money, nor is he himself. Oh, no doubt. They have a hole to climb out of long term, but losing for multiple years on end isn't likely to make any owner happy.

Ikey is a lifelong Panthers fan and talked like he WANTS to be here long term. I am hoping some of that creeps into the negotiations, although I would fully understand if it didn't. We also have a "punt" option with Ikey using the franchise tag. Not ideal but better than shooting for the moon on another Horn deal before he really earned it.

No reason to push that. Low grade strains can quickly turn more serious without proper rest. Reps would be limited to none in Game 3 anyway.

I don't think the discussions they had with their new coach included "fug it, tank for Arch for however long is necessary" plans. I also think people are jumping to assumptions on where he will end up AND when he will leave. Don't be shocked to see him play his entire college career out or stay in school to duck a bad franchise(including the Saints, BTW).

Yeah and there is no real benefit to Dalton starting/playing. He is a long tenured veteran. Those reps have little value.

I mean, I am not prepared to say Perkins is better. He is a similar caliber of QB, in that he isn't really an NFL caliber QB.

I think people vastly underrate his competence when it comes to being a backup. I also think people WAAAAAAAAY overrate the role of a backup QB.

I don't disagree but they are far more likely to stick with the devil they know as most teams do for those 3rd/PS spots. Plummer is good enough to run some scout team BS.

People always love a good underdog story and since we had Jake Delhomme, the fans remember a rags to riches QB success, despite the fact that those are extremely rare. This guy is here to eat up snaps in a meaningless game due to injuries. The odds of him making this roster are quite small, as he has literally missed the entire offseason here. Even a PS spot is a little far fetched.

I am failing to understand why we have a portion of the people in this thread so gung ho about this trade. Can you please logically explain why we should trade the asking price(or anywhere near, for that matter) and what benefit you hope to accomplish? The downsides seem to be clear(as have been stated by so many). Contract Price: Likely north of $30 mil AAV and 3+ years. Age: Will be 31 by the end of the season Draft Capital: With a roster bereft of proven talent, why give away a 4-5 year cheap and possibly high end future player? Player Compensation: What young defensive player do you plan on giving up? Horn and Brown are not a 1:1 trade plus the cap ramifications would be bad. What other young defensive players even have real trade value? Overall Net Benefit: This team is lacking in talent at a franchise historic level. Wins and playoff contention do not seem to be relatively close. So what is the benefit of adding an aging, expensive, elite pass rusher to a team in which so much more is needed to be a true competitor? When do you expect that to translate to winning seasons? Really, someone from the pro-trade camp, just give me a logical case as to why this would be a sound idea.

TBH, I am not completely convinced they actually want to trade him. It's either that or they are gonna overplay their hand and it isn't going to work. You gotta consider that if people REALLY want him, he is close to being a free agent so that you just have to shell out $$$ versus money, a 1st and a player.

When you are a cellar dweller, you don't attract motivated win first guys because.....we don't win. They also can see our roster and the utter lack of talent too. The truth is, you have to start getting people(players) to believe in the organization before you can consistently draw in those type of guys. It's also hampered by the fact that coaches and GM's have super short shelf lives. So the architects are a rotating door. These are the hallmarks of dumpster fire organizations. They all share these things in common.

Not a decent price. One or the other, certainly not both.

I don't claim to know Manning's potential, other than being force fed that he is a generational talent that couldn't beat out a 5th round draft pick. I know that I have no intention of jumping on a "tank for *insert hype QB*" bandwagon in the near future.

It's not just him, we have Ikey coming up on potentially a big contract too. We already hitched ourselves financially to one player with massive availability issues as it is. So do we want to be the team that has a 30+ year old $35+ mil AAV pass rusher with potentially a $20+ mil AAV LT and maybe $45+ mil AAV QB, as well?? Until we get some of those things figured out, now is not the "throwing caution to the wind" portion of building. That's putting a roof on after you just poured the foundation.

I see a lot of Scott Fitterer acolytes popping their heads up for this non-story. We ArE oNlY oNe PlAyEr AwAy!!!! Meanwhile, trading away draft capital and making roster decisions that make us worse. Hendrickson makes very little sense at the price he wants and at the price the Bungles claim to want. That's a speed run to being yet another bad roster for a few offseasons.

Yeah, it's hard to say on the Shaq thing. I do think the Jewell situation also added PT that might go to a more capable vet. But, that's sort of what I generally mean by our draft "strategy." It seems like when we really NEED a player in a position group, we shoot for the moon on a high ceiling, low floor guy all to often. Then when they don't develop properly, it's a real problem. We have had a bad habit during the Tepper era of not drafting football players but just athletic traits.

Watch the play live, it would be possible to miss that scrambling away from pressure. A screenshot makes it seem much easier than it actually was, I am sure. I certainly hope he saw it because it's a Bryce 1.0 throw, if not.

Chinn is another in a long line of guys Panthers fans overly valued but the league responded by showing they don't consider his value to be nearly as high. I liked the guy a lot but he did never reach his full potential.

Anyone making a trade at this point is likely going to extend him. There is also the chance the Bengals screw it up enough that they just let him play out his contract and then attempt this again next offseason after they tag him. If they really wanted to unload him, they technically already missed the boat. That should have been done in the offseason and prior to the draft.

I couldn't tell if Bryce saw the flag or not live. If he could, no harm, no foul. If he couldn't, absolutely inexcusable. I will say that IMO that pass to TMac was a poorly thrown ball due to the pass rush. He needs to throw it better but with half the line getting dump trucked, I can't beat Bryce up too bad. As poorly as the first unit offense played, I honestly think the defense is still a much greater concern. I do wish maybe we could have seen a series or two more of the starters.

We have OL, Horn, etc. Doesn't matter. We don't need to be trading away any of these guys for what is basically a short term fix.

It's not as if he won't continue to be an elite pass rusher but it's not the right TIME for a move like this. We are just digging out of cap issues, have little to no actual core and even adding him isn't going to add a ton in the W/L column this season. I don't think anyone arguing against trading for him doesn't like the player. I love the guy. These gotta be people that are still clinging to this idea of this being a playoff team.