kungfoodude

I will never resort to that sewer. I am just recently on Reddit and that is bad enough.

Does anyone know(mods I assume) why he wouldn't consider just selling to one of us?

But are you gauging QB success or QB DRAFT PICK success? I am not trying to make something that guages QB careers. I am trying to make something that judges QB careers SOLELY as a function of draft position.

How would you structure that? What are the thresholds for "success?" What what does that structure look like? What are the thresholds? No, I am asking given draft position(round based) what are good baselines for a "successful" pick? It's not so much actually grading QB's as grading QB CAREERS based on what round they were taken in. I am not against incorporating other criteria or changing mine but I want input into what that looks like. So, say completion%, which was mentioned. Does a 1st round pick need to have a higher career completion percentage than a 2nd/3rd/etc? If so. what is the threshold for that? I am 100% trying to make a solid model but I do need defineable input that I can add.

Okay, but how do you translate that to each round? What is the threshold for a "successful" 1st rounder? 2nd? Etc? I suppose I would ask, if you are a HOF/All Pro/Pro Bowl guy, wouldn't that largely exclude players with low completion percentage? Brett Favre(he wouldn't be eligible for this due to timeline) has a very poor TD:INT ratio and he is a SB Champion, HOFer, All Pro, Pro Bowler, etc. He ticks every box on that list. So, I would ask for a reasonable way of using those stats to determine "success" for each round. In theory, if a guy has a great completion percentage and TD:INT ratio but his career is 3 games started and less than two years in the NFL, would that be successful?

It isn't rules, I am just trying to make it useful. It's a discussion. I don't know if you would be excluding anyone without that. Take Dilfer and Foles. Both hit as successes even with these rules in place. I am not sure how I would include team accomplishments in a reasonable manner. Open to suggestions. UDFA's don't add much value. The root of this is to determine draft success. Adversity isn't something that can easily be quantified. It's really hard to make that work and not be very subjective. Open to suggestions. The college criteria couldn't be used for this.

But Eli would be a "success" with this criteria.

That's hard to quantify and I think a little unfair since most of these QB's end up with dumpster fire franchises. What would be the way you would include that? Win percentage? Total wins? How do you account for guys that just end up on shitty teams(Stafford pre-Rams, for example)? Not against it, I just don't know how to do that and be fair across all those tiers.

In between Huddle crashing, anyone have input? I am trying to make this model fairly reasonable. I understand there is a lot more nuance but I feel like these rough outlines encompass what I would consider "successful return" on a QB given draft positioning. It also doesn't overtly penalize successful QB's that have injury shorted careers. Just looking to bounce this off people and improve it before going live with it. I already have almost 300 QB's loaded from 1994(first year of the 7 round draft) to 2018(outer limit of the 1st rounder 8 year mark).

Yeah, I didn't either but Jones had already been a solid QB in his career. That wasn't a tough sell. Richardson was INSANELY raw in college and looked even worse in the NFL. I agree on QB but we do need to upgrade for sure in the offseason. We can't keep throwing backup QB's at the job and expect franchise results.

I mean it's ultimately a sinking vs. floating turds argument. I honestly thought Dalton was going to be the floater but it's obviously Bryce. One day, I just hope to not have turds at QB.

His contract isn't that bad. We can get out after 2026 and before the cap hits go up substantially.

Yeah, I was still on the 4-7 wins and have been the whole time. I am just upset by the utter ineptitude that Canales displayed.

It's nice that we signed Moton to that massive contract given his health. Typical for us. Big contract = immediately injured. You ride Corbett until you can't. You obviously cannot afford to have him at center. He cannot snap the ball properly at all. However he solves a big problem at OG. The problem is going to lie in who backs up Mays, though. Our coaching staff is a crowd of absolute morons, so anytime Mays goes out, it's gonna be Corbett at C. So we will get both worse at OG and WAAAAAY worse at C.

Well he quickly deflected the question about Rico's "almost 7 YPC." He is very polished and he transitioned well to non-answers and side steps. I can see why a guy like him was able to pull the wool over on guys like Tepper.

The only way to help NCAA football is for it to finally break. It is coming.

That is because they have leadership that isn't complete morons. So could Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell. You guys gotta stop simping for attributes with no thought to actually ability or passion to play football. That's Fitterer/Rhule BS.

He was "special" alright. If you think Bryce stinks.....good lawd.

We will see if it matters. Especially if Bryce sticks around for several years. It may always be "help Bryce at all costs."

Nothing like taking a RB in a weak RB class as a 2nd round draft pick. Tepper your expectations.

I am expecting that Brooks will never play a meaningful snap for the Panthers and will be a FA immediately once his rookie deal is up.

....I am trying to build out a QB Success model. This is what I have so far. Give me some critiques or other input to help me improve it. Note: ANY of these being applicable make the QB a "success" in the model. Not any combination of them. 1st Round QB's Hall Of Fame 1+ MVP's 1+ All-Pro 1+ Pro Bowl 8+ Year Starter 2nd Round QB's Any of the above 5+ Year Starter 10+ Year Career 3rd Round QB's Any of the above 3+ Year Starter 7+ Year Career 4-7th Round QB's Any of the above 30+ Games Started 5+ Year Career

I mean, he has still exceeded expectations. I literally thought he would have been cut after year one.

Not at all. He has no fuging clue what he is doing.

Dave Canales....the Matt Rhule of Frank Reich's.