Carl Spackler

That's all this is. It's using this team as leverage.

CJ Stroud would be a fantastic player here, a real franchise QB who the Huddle could salivate over netting countless draft picks for in a trade

People get tired of losing. Sam Darnold was not going to lead this team to a playoff win, no different than he did not lead this team to a win over Detroit that made the playoffs a reasonable possibility. DeOnta Foreman, Chuba Hubbard and a nasty OL, however, led the team to that win, to that level of contention, and Darnold was doing his part at QB. The secret to any success this team, as constructed, could've had, was in the ground game.

As soon as they're stars, though, gotta ship 'em out for draft picks. Fell behind 7-0 after the first quarter of the season, so the rest of the year is meaningless anyway. Besides, no team has ever made the Super Bowl after getting only one first down in the first half of their opener.

You should work for Bank of America Stadium, because you're really good at moving goalposts.

I'm not comparing quarterbacks. I'm just saying that the idea of tanking every November and December for the chance of a practice squad standout is not the most successful way of conducting business. Some seasons are lost, sure, but for one week -- one week -- fans of this team had hope for the first time in five years. Is that worth dropping as many as two draft slots, where one of the players we want will still be there? Sure. It is to me.

So we're not counting it, because, well, we just don't want to. 10-4

Would like to know your thoughts on this, @Kentucky Panther Instead of tanking and landing Kevin White, who's blossomed into a practice squad WR, the team won a pointless division championship, an utterly meaningless playoff game and, due in part to a lower first-round draft pick, struggled to a 15-1 record the following season and backed into a Super Bowl berth.

You have to hope the draft picks net good players, who we can complain are one-trick ponies and "not as tough as Steve Smith," so you can hope they get traded for more draft picks, which we hope will net good players, who we can trade for more draft picks, which we hope will net good players, which we hope will be traded for more draft picks, which we hope will net good players, to net even more draft picks, which we hope will lead us to a Super Bowl. Then we can finally trade those good players for draft picks, which we hope will net good players.

OK. Following up: how much did a meaningless division title, meaningless playoff appearance and meaningless first playoff win in 9 years hurt the Panthers more in 2014, than a 5-11 record and the once-in-a-lifetime chance to change the course of team history by selecting WR Kevin White or DT Danny Shelton?

So the Panthers could, by your metric, go a decade of 170 meaningless games.

Haven't lost more than 3 straight all year tbh

What is a meaningful game?

I just don't understand why people desperately want the team to lose, and when they do, they lash out and disparage the coaches and players

Milksteak and jelly beans it is

Somehow saying a dude has no character is “defending a pervert” now. This country is woefully uneducated

Imagine not being able to read

Personally, I always want to win, but realistically, I don't see it.

Just a gut feeling. I don't have anything against him. And it's not all him -- I place very, very little blame at his shoulders from Sunday. I think you'll see quite a few guys not taking it seriously and when that happens, it impacts others' performances.

I'm good with having him back as a backup. A backup is a guy who can do fine for you in spot duty, but who gets exposed beyond that. That's Darnold, just like it was Derek Anderson. It's good work and there's no shame in it, but once you're getting to five or six Darnold starts, there's a real crapper incoming.

Apparently nobody's in worse shape than the Rams, and if anything is certain it's that if a defending Super Bowl champion struggles in the middle of one season, they're absolutely finishing with the league's worst record two seasons later

Or, if you only speak basketball, a "PJ Washington game"

Darnold's gonna have an awful game Sunday that'll drive his price down for the offseason.

Sam "Wild Thing" Darnold

Steve Wilks is also a passable Lou, but I can't decide who was a better Dorn: Robby Anderson, or Baker Mayfield