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Saying I think some people are going TOO FAR on some of the Bryce talk isn't being contrarian for the sake of it. Nor will saying people are now going to TOO FAR the other direction if he makes them bad next year if he comes out the first several games looking more like Giants Bryce than the season finale Bryce I just say what I think. But yeah, if I think Frank Reich is a bad hire I say it. Which I did. That's not a contrarian position. But I'm then not going to scapegoat Frank for every problem under the sun when everyone turns on him for all our problems. I just talk football how I see it. I give zero poos about anyone agreeing.

I really don't have any issue w/ a stance like that. I think he was damn good vs what he was more so than just damn good but that's really just squabbling.

If I were to play the odds and factor in the past around here….I’m deemed a Bryce hater today. Lot of the same folks will call me a Bryce apologist next year when they swing the other way when he hits a stretch of not meeting their expectations. These dances have been danced.

The great game count is 1 on the career got to hold him to a reasonable standard vs his peers. Which means all these other games can t just be excuses of how they really should be viewed as better. His play vs that pressure was part of the equation of why it unfolded like it did

I would. I mean he was flat out bad in 2 of the last 4. He wasn’t good directly after the benching. So it’s still a very cherry picked window defining him and that’s because inconsistent play (which he should be). Bryce also is hovering around 60% which was good in the prior era, not this one….and was 2nd in the NFL in poor throw % behind Anthony Richardson. So we should celebrate his improvement and be glad we have a plan that makes sense for next year. I’m just not agreeing with riding the wave as far as some. We know how that works most of the time the NFL when the backing is actually there for some of the talk

Does the player matter when it was essentially a convo about it being unrealistic to expect several really good games over a long stretch of starts? its clearly not made up. Its game logs from a handful of starts in a rookie season. Which was basically a host of games like yesterday from a QB in just part of a season. Cherry picking and finding good games is what you can do for everyone that eventually plays a lot. We could add that dude this offseason if we wanted. Any team could. point is not to get too carried away yet. He is still a very inconsistent young player

Point is, it's not far fetched lunacy to expect young QBs that play to give you some big time games over the course of time if they get lot of opportunity. Good QBs do it. Middle of the road QBs do it. Even bad QBs eventually have big games if given enough opportunity. all the games ultimately matter when you are evaluating a QB. Team wanted that guy posted above to be THE guy. I mean, if you cherry pick his young start vs Bryce's young start....he is a GOAT. Doing what Bryce did Sunday over and over in a smaller window.

352 pass yards (67%) , 5 pass TDs 332 pass yards (68%), 4 pass TDs 308 pass yards (65%), 4 pass TDs 336 pass yards (63%), 4 total TDs pass TDs I mean, that's a dude that started 12 games his rookie year.

maybe keep Tremble because Ian should be gone and he is a much better blocker/compliment to Saunders. as for the rest, I'm cool just moving on from everyone. I mean, I'd take JJ back but at 39 next year you gotta think he might just call it a career. He getting to that window where he really increases the likelyhood of getting hurt out there.

GM still surviving is pretty insane. He pre-dates Urban.

Broke down Cam went to New England and won more games with a much worse team than the one that existed in Carolina. Cam was broken down. But that's not why they disregarded him. They disregarded him because an incompetent head coach couldn't function with a real football player in house that had command of things. Cam wouldn't of waited to the end of the season to as politely as possible say we weren't being a real NFL team like Teddy did. And the funniest part, they ended up bringing Cam back in the end to temporarily save jobs and install the most basic things in house that never were done. I mean that is not an example of being right. Hell, Rhule all but confirmed it was the wrong call. Learning basics from Cam he could of learned at the jump instead of when he became a dead man walking.

5 wins 5 wins 5 wins 7 wins 2 wins 5 wins People now wanting to credit Dave is peak huddle.

It’s the NFL, it takes a lot more than what Bryce Young has done to really prove to people you are the dude. You can pick a random example. Daniel Jones. NYGs wanted him to be the dude. He never was. Bryce Young’s resume of proof is crazy light as of today. Maybe he will be. Some are simply declaring dude status off 4-5 games and lighting everything else on fire. Which isn’t what we do when talking about anyone else

I mean his improvement has been good. To an extent I hit a wipe out button like I did for Trevor year 1. So this was Bryce’s rookie season redo. Sort of looked like what he thought we were getting. but this top 10, already ahead of Jake Delhomme, is just standard huddle over reach seen over and over.

But yeah, you basically are now getting down to my 4 starts out of 28 argument. That’s 7 games. 2 he was bad in. So that’s now down to 5. AZ was really just a game of Connor vs Hubbard to me and Connor got hurt. We won. So then there were 4. And 4 out of 28…..just isn’t the resume to back some of this noise. Even if I just give folks AZ and pretend it wasn’t just pedestrian NFL play.

My critical thinking skills tell me, people are essentially cherry picking Bryce down to 4 games out of 28 starts and saying the rest is irrelevant to make their argument…..because even cherry picked post benching, most of his starts were below average. Bryce is still a pretty wildly inconsistent player. As he should be. He had a great game today. His improvement from the dumpster fire has been nice. But it’s not being miserable to simply choose not to ride the enthusiasm wave too far. I didn’t think Sam Darnold was in the MVP talks, I didn’t think Robbie Anderson was better than DJ Moore, and so on forever. Bryce doesn’t have the resume to back the checks people are now willing to write. I have seen this show a billion times before. Simple as that.

Yeah that’s not real argument though. You change everything in your favor and yet it’s all still supposed to play out all the same way for the other side? KC has just been playing up and down with folks all year. Philly had a bad day. And on and on. Plus if opponents did the same type logic in our wins do we still count those? but back to the point, you aren’t really making that argument. You are just saying the D sucked D. Which isn’t an argument that Bryce Young out clutched Jake Delhomme in Carolina….when Bryce hasn’t even caught 1 season of GW drives by Jake in 28 starts. Jake had straight up magic in them early days.

I’m not comparing their teams. I didn’t bring them up. I didn’t bring Jake up. I responded to someone claiming Bryce Young has already out clutched Jake Delhomme…. so you think Bryce Young has already outlclutched Jake Delhomme Charlotte?????. Bryce in 28 starts trails Jake’s 2003 season alone in GW drives. What’s the argument Bryce had out clutched him then? That’s the convo. the Bryce folks just get silly with it. And when you point out they go too far you are hating lol

This is why Bryce is perceived by some to have more haters than he does….because the folks super high on Bryce take it too far over and over and we can’t resist addressing it. Bryce Young has not already out clutched Jake Delhomme. Adding today as a GW drive….Bryce has 6 GW drives in 28 starts. Which hasn’t even caught him up to Jake’s 2003 seasons worth of GW drives.

Richardson is essentially the one young QB I am certain Bryce will be better than.

A large segment of that cast is still here. it’s why the real problem is just Tepper. Over and over it shows. Time and time again people sort of move away from it. I think we are now on the 3rd variation of Tepper finally stepped back. It’s never true.

Yeah, you just use their careers. Everything. We are only allowed to talk about Bryce through the lense of like 4 games

I personally don’t like the years they do sucky play as what you comeback from…..but if they do that variant of the award, Sam Darnold going to run away with it. That sells to the national fanbase easy.

No but we are talking QB play. Which is why I referenced them having more offensive production. so what’s the argument Bryce is better if we aren’t using offense production? and really, QBs with horrific D should have inflated O production. Because you are in score mode or better yet garbage time all season.

Bryce won 4 games this season with pedestrian/middle of the pack production on the year. I mean they sometimes award that for sucking and then being good….but that would be wild as hell to give it to Bryce off that