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I mean the Colts owner is literally in a headset on the field w/ a notepad lol. I still think the bulk of the bad decisions are squarely made by the bad people he hires. Not him telling them what to do. I think the GM team sold Tepper on Bryce. By all reports it is was split decision in house. Tepper agreed w/ that side of the house. Not an order by a king. Reporters largely sniff it all out and it's not how they reported it. And I think we know team Frank was anti- Bryce and pro CJ. They lost.

on a good day he is a game manager. But he has more bad days than good days.

Andy Dalton is just collecting checks because people are dumb enough write them. Dude is on his 5th team at this stage. He hasn't posted a winning record in any season of the last DECADE....and has been called into action every season of the last decade.

Panthers in a weird space. Front office has to be very careful not to expose how poorly they went into this season by choice.

we must give up 48 picks and DJ Moore for Bryce.....the bright side is Bryce will save us from having to spend and invest a lot into the O and it can all be put into the rest of the team. Panthers proceed to spend all their picks on drafting skill talent to make Bryce not look bad and have to go out and spent more money on the OL than anyone else in the NFL LOL. Total con job by Fitterer.

Clausen had a weak arm and slow delivery. Bryce is Clausen with a faster delivery and better pocket movement/scamper ability.

I'm sure OP was alluding to Saunders but I like Evans better. Less than half the targets. Same first downs. More TDs. Better average per catch.

We have a Tyler Warren comp?

when you factor in cost.....if things ended this year? Cost is going to 100% put him in the top 5 all time convo.

Bryce has never been able to throw deep in the NFL. He is bad at it. Every season. You can find a clip of Tom Brady rushing for 20 yards. Doesn't mean he is good at it. Bryce was always a small ball point G. We cheered it when we drafted him. He doesn't fit a Jake Delhomme fug it deep ball offense. Which has always been the Canales tree and every QB he earned this job off of (Wilson, Geno and Baker).

Since it might of gotten lost in my last post. It's pretty simple. Forget talent/ceiling, we are working w/ a really bad QB. It's a trio that needs to get their snaps back. Renfrow, Tremayne and TE Evans > XL, Horn and Saunders. All are better operators in the area of the field where Bryce looks. Tremayne better than XL. Renfrow better than Horn. Evans better than Saunders. And the last 3 weeks we saw the shift to more talented dudes that aren't actually as good at the basics. but the change will be tiny. So who really cares. It might yield 1 more win on the season lol.

LMAO. You basically echoed my position of this thread......and then call it excessive simping for Renfrow. Nice. last 3 games - 122 pass yard/ game - 9 pts per game average prior - 191 yards/game - 22 pts per game. and it's not just Renfrow. It's a collective. A trio. Renfrow, Tremayne, and Evans. As their snaps went down or away for whatever reason....we have gotten worse. All syncs up. More XL. More Horn. (and we really can talk about Saunders vs Evans).....is not going to help a bad QB out. Talent and athleticism? Sure, we have trended more that way the last 3 weeks. But the results don't lie. Bryce can't make raw dudes better. I don't want to get better. There is no Renfrow simping going on. My boldest take coming into the season was he should be rostered ONLY over David Moore. Literally no one else. And now my take is simply, better route runners and dudes that do basics better for a really bad QB that can't throw downfield was working out better. But the change isn't going to be much of one because Bryce is the QB. the Panther I was most excessively stanning for going into the season was the Gamecock. XL. Not Renfrow. I started turning on that when he got tossed from his preseason game as the dude is clueless. Now I want him benched.

I think they have maxed out the run game. What we saw the Saints do is basically the final level of what a strong run game gives you…..which is defenses comically overplaying it that should allow your pass attack to abuse a defense.

I mean, I think Renfrow and Tremayne are better options for a bad a QB than XL and Horn. and pass production has gone from weak to horrific the last 3 weeks that’s if you wanted to tinker for slight improvement. Which as I said, I actually don’t. But I do want Tremayne more involved and XL and Horn IMO would be the ones in the way of additional reps for him

Personally, like most seasons, my eyes are now on the best pick possible. Now, I know some want to win and Dave Canales falls into that camp. What would I do? well, I would shuffle my WRs. Last 3 weeks we our pass game has been 124, 102 and 138 yards. A very clear step down of late. 121 yards per game is the trend which is a very clear trend down. has anything changed the last 3 weeks? One of the top 2 best route runners and most reliable to just his job and be where he should be has been inactive. While he wasn’t a high production player…..he had demands that defense actually account for a real route runner. And it wasn’t abnormal to see Bryce miss him for what should have been a pretty decent gain via a bad pass. And he is still 3rd in receptions by the WR group despite disappearing the 2nd part of the shuffle would be acknowledging XL is more of a net negative than positive. so my base 3 WR sets would be TMac and Coker on the outside. Renfrow back to the slot. Work in Tremayne. Do what you want with the last spot with Horn or XL. I say keep Horn active. and I’m not sure it’s all XL. But he is too raw to help BY out. He needs a QB that helps him out. They do nothing for each other. so yeah, Bryce Young needs the best possible collection of route runners and dudes that know how to do their jobs….and we should be treating him like a rookie. Thats if you actually wanted to get better. I don’t. I do think they should bench XL for Tremayne and just rep him super heavy as he seems to actually be the one most worth trying on the roster to get volume to improve for a post Bryce world

I don’t feel the Panthers actually feel heat when it comes to Bryce yet. Canales said she threw the ball great lol. At some point, we need the media to really start addressing how inept Bryce is and the fact he is the common denominator…..and in year 3 isn’t better than meh rookies

Bryce’s time in the NFL right now is purely because of the investment made into him. Bryce Young as a starter would have ended after his rookie season if went in the 3rd round. And I’m not in disagreement on DG. But we basically what occurs if you stay on that path

He is dog poo. But his QB rating and QBR is right there with Bryce. He is also 5 starts into a career. Hell, same amount of games over 200 this year Browns won’t play him for 3 years though. Thats the real difference

One is a rookie not prepped to be the starter coming in and one is a 3rd year starter with no competition. and…..Gabriel has a better QB rating lol

Fields. RIchardson. And on and on. Carolina just being Carolina.

Yeah, literally no one here “hates” Bryce. Even his biggest critics are complimentary of the human. But water is wet. We have been splashed with a cold wet bucket full of it for 2.5 years now. If you can’t handle people saying water is wet…..it’s not an us problem. weirdly defending Bryce Young doesn’t make anyone a “non-miserable fan” lol.

Well, I sort of get it. Same principle as why Morgan went into the season with the situation looking like it did. I mean, there are tiers of bad QBs. You put a PJ Walker type bad out there with the team and the entire org and players would see a bad QB doing stuff the starting bad QB can’t do

Who is the practice squad QB presently lol?

I mean, realistically, the table ahead has scenarios that could easily go much much worse. Likely will. Much tougher games ahead.

Scott’s statement about this team sums up Bryce Young perfectly Even on its best days, it’s barely good enough to win in the NFL.