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lol, how do you lecture folks about not watching games and then not know about Bryce being taken out for a hail mary? and yeah, Cam got subbed out because the coach knew he didn't have the arm for it. That's what coaches do when you don't have the arm for it.

I also wouldn't say Bryce has a stronger arm than them. Arm strength probably on par.....but Burrow just a vastly superior passer than both of them. Jalen obviously one of the premier QBs on the ground. Then we have our guy.....who doesn't actually have a trait that makes him stand out.

that's a wild statement. Bryce had the most expensive OL in the NFL last year and it was healthy. With a solid backfield. Which is what every QB wants.

Cam would put a towel on his head when things were going great. Towel was largely a media thing. It existed no matter what was happening. I actually loved the fact Cam was such a horrible loser. I hated everyone seemed so fixated on making him a good loser. That was part of of what made him tick. Bad w/ the good.

they paid Jake Delhomme.....after Tommy Jone....and after this...

I do not believe a person exists that here that literally says he can't throw 20 yards. I say he can't. Because statistically, he rarely does it vs his peers and the results when he does are way worse than his peers. And IMO you can clearly see NFL Ss cheat coverage assignments because of it which then makes the intermediate stuff harder. Results are all that matter and we are 3 years in to the show.

I was looking at CFF ....XL grades out as one of the best in big time routes during the month of October. He also doesn't have a lot around him. It's not like Peyton Manning is throwing the ball, with Kyle Shanahan is calling the plays or something. He has a bunch of losers around him. Some would say it's the worst spot any WR could of gone to. I would appreciate it if you unhappy miserable people would quit insulting Xavier and be real Panther fans. Spurs Up!

yeah, I can get a little of that. But that's not what he is posting in his argument just now though. He said people wouldn't even concede to the literal ability to do it when pressed on the literal ability. I have never seen that. He maintains it exists somewhere. I mean, using anomaly games to make arguments about players just isn't the way. There wasn't a defender within 10 yards of our guys on 2 of those 3 throws Sunday. No one within 5 on the 3rd. That's not Bryce Young answering questions about his play downfield.. That's Bryce Young taking advantage of coverage busts by a bad D. Which hey, that's part of the game too. Recognition and seeing the field. It can't totally be dismissed. That's still good play. You want your QBs to make those plays. But it's not getting into the long standing critique of BY IMO.

Did you see how quickly and easily I addressed I didn’t mean he literally couldn’t throw the ball? it’s hard to imagine anyone arguing he literally couldn’t do it and being serious. I haven’t seen it. He claims it exists somewhere

LMAO.... criticizing Bryce for his inability play the game beyond 20 yards....is not arguing he literally can't throw the ball 20 yards. you can also check my posts where I have detailed his 20+ yard throws in 2024 and in 2025 and his success rate doing. Looking at his 20+ yard throws (which clearly isn't denying the literal ability to do it), is how the argument he is dogwater and can't play beyond 20 yards is crafted.

Well, it's clearly not a broadly or largely made claim around here......if no one can find it/share it being made. So, wouldn't that make it a poor thing to argue about? That's all.

I have never seen anyone dig into the claim Bryce Young LITERALLY can't throw the ball 20 yards. I don't think acting like THAT is an actual position here, is a good position to argue from.

I think all this is standard internet arguing. Basically, you know what people meant, but it's better for argument's sakes to take things you know aren't literal as literal. (you as in people in general, not you you) I do recall discussion of who throwing the ball downfield is different in the NFL than college. Because it is. A lot of decisions and throws that work in college are no longer on the table. NFL defenses are better and faster. Windows become smaller. So yeah, throws in the NFL are different than college. For example, Bryce doesn't need to be throwing a lot of traditional out routes. We have found that out. Back shoulder? Comebacks? Ok. Some deeper stuff over the middle? Windows are way smaller and close faster in the NFL. Balls that worked in college will get picked.

On that same chart, slot me in between Teddy and Clausen. But more toward Teddy than Clausen. I think if we literally made a list of every Panther QB, that's where I think the collective group slots him.

I mean, I can get a ball downfield 40 yards. There would be a couple massive issues with me doing it. My ball placement would be off the charts bad. Second, for me to get it 40 yards I'm gonna have to moon it......which would give DBs the opportunity to make plays on balls that wouldn't exist if a better QB were throwing it. Which is all an exaggerated explanation of the Bryce issue. To many play the literal game w/ Bryce when it comes defending him. Every NFL QB likely can loft one up around 50 yards. Every QB in the NFL can't get a ball 30 yards downfield in the same windows. Or the same ball placement. That's the Bryce issue. But I also think mixed into that is just his QB DNA. Take a young Brees, it was in his DNA to stress defenses and takes shots. He would flat out be Delhomme-ish at times. Which is coverage and assignment altering. Brees would throw balls into triple coverage 40 yards downfield. Is that smart? Sometimes it is. Not because the play gets made but you force the secondary to play honest.

we have been bad offensively basically every game Rico Dowdle hasn't gone full Tecmo Bowl Bo Jackson on folks.

First 4 - 122 rushing yards per game allowed Last 2 - 25 per game allowed. I mean, to me at least, that is drastically different. That's almost 100 yards difference on the ground per game. I mean, Penix just sabotaged Atlanta. That's football. They ran for 130 despite not even getting a chance to get into their run game thanks to Penix. Jags went for 200. Every team the first 4 weeks went over 100+ except AZ and AZ had more than both the last 2 weeks combined in that game. D is clearly better than last year. But within this season, the last 2 weeks, have really just been sort of wonky. We aren't what the last 2 weeks says on the ground offensively or defensively. No team in NFL history is what we statistically did the last 2 weeks.

True, Bryce having a weaker arm wouldn’t be a big deal if it was paired with… Great accuracy, ball placement, etc. But it’s not. Bryce has consistently done 2 things all 3 seasons. One of the lowest completion % in the NFL each year, one of the highest bad throws % in the NFL. Then you can get into his unwillingness to stress a D and how that has allowed safeties and DBs to cheat coverage making the small ball so many QBs enjoy a tougher task.

Wut? 2023 - worst in the NFL 2024 - 2nd worst in the NFL 2025 - 6th worst in the NFL that cements him as having the highest bad throw % in the NFL since arriving in 2023 in what world is that not consistently high? And the last 2 games are doing a lot of work

Constantly going to the but his weapons aren’t good enough argument….is conceding he isn’t what we claimed/thought he was. Entire argument and rationale for the pick is he would be a highly efficient point guard QB that doesn’t need great weapons and the resources could go elsewhere. and Bryce Young has one of the worst comp % this year…..with a very good OL, very good backfield and decent weapons. It’s Bryce. He is consistent. Low comp %. Super high bad throw %. Everything changes. He is largely the same.

I get it, but you then choose to compare that to other QBs…who largely attack the pass game vastly different than Bryce. So you got to talk beyond the stat while having the convo. Bryce should have a high completion % given the way he attacks field vs how a young Cam did or a Jake. Always going to the but the talent! ….does’t work at this point. Bryce’s is very low and his bad throw % is also crazy high Bryce shouldn’t be a 60% QB and he should have low turnover % given he isn’t aggressively attacking downfield and doesn’t generate a lot of production. Bryce if he plays his style of ball well would have a very high comp% and low turnovers (that’s what he is supposed to be and isn’t). Gunslingers, big play guys….should have a lower comp % and more turnovers than Bryce.

I’d like to see the numbers after the first 4 and how much influence the last 2 games is having on that. because the first 4 games and the last 2 really don’t seem to be the same team.

Yeah, it is. But the last 2 weeks are so far removed from the opening 4……it’s hard to really know what we are this year. last 2 weeks our rush D has allowed an average of 25 rushing yards. We got a RB averaging 200+ total yards with that. So what are we right now? I don’t know. Realistically, I don’t think we have the type D the last 2 weeks would suggest nor our rush attack. could just be 2 really weird games and we are largely more like the team that showed up the first 4

there is a 100 mile long list of NFL players and coaches going to bat and defending horrible play from teammates.