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I'm not saying you fire him...but you certainly should be judging him on the O side....and it's not good. So if you do bring him back and he didn't show anything? Well, you don't draft a QB #1 overall. You give him a year 2. You invest in a defense. You make him show you something. If he can't in year 2 with a vet QB then you move on and let the new guy draft a QB. We sort of off track now. Frank in theory should be getting the can w/ Bryce this year. Canales hasn't shown enough to let him use that #1 on a QB IMO.

Coaches don't generally say these type things. Generally it's a NFL is the NFL. All teams are good. Winning is hard narrative vs anyone. Dude just said the truth out loud. He couldn't even BS it lol.

bolonga. Canales was given the most expensive OL in the entire NFL and they are dang good overall on the season. That's the engine to any offense. It's a good one. Canales is an O guy. Forget the D, and forget winning. D talent stinks and you can't win with it. That was a decision Canales and company made. We are supposed to be judging the O. Not giving it a pass because certain aspect stink by design. The O isn't supposed to be this bad.

I want them to trade down and draft all defense (generally speaking). we have a good OL. We have young skill talent all over the map we are supposed to be developing. We should go out and rent a good vet QB. That should be the play. Go tell Deion to drive up our draft haul with another team. Deion going to make a big fuss when the dust settles this season and sees us at #1.

I don't think him being fired means his fate is/was tied to Bryce. Andy Dalton has looked frankly just as bad the last couple weeks as Bryce Young. It hasn't mattered if it was a bad young QB or a vet. O is garbage....behind one of the highest paid and better OLs in the NFL. That's a Canales problem. Personally, I think it all stems back to Tepper setting things up for failure day 1. I was actually ok w/ the rah rah cheerleader type but a first time HC (whose experience is 1 year as a meh OC) did not need to also be calling plays. That never made sense. Canales should of hired a real OC. To call plays. While he figured out the HC part. To me, that is why he has no O after the first scripted series. Canales isn't a good playcaller and he is in overhead trying to be everything. Which makes him good at nothing. He isn't calling good plays, managing the game well, etc.

LITERALLY, the primary reason an iffy hire was justified.....is he was pimped as a QB guru who could "fix" Bryce. He gave us the worst version of Bryce and gave up on that 2 weeks in. So once you remove that from the equation, we literally just hired someone unqualified to be a HC and no reason to hang your hat on the why. 1 year as a very meh OC in reality is his resume. And he is being exactly that here. Forget the D, forget winning. You give a good O coach THIS OL....and they find better and more consistent offense than Canales. He stinks. I don't care who the QB is.

If you have Frank this OL….Frank would have. a better offense than Canales has. And I’m no Frank fan.

Probably a 5th or 6th would be good. But the Panthers would probably let him sit and rot vs taking that trade on the chin this season. Think they quietly deal him this offseason. Parting with him right now just draws more attention to Canales, Tepper, Carolina.

Dalton has averaged 150 yards with 1.6 INTS the last 3 weeks so I’ll go with 130 yards and 2 INTs for Bryce.

if you are going to overpay vet types to have them be in Carolina (which is what you would be doing with Johnson).....then they absolutely need them to be top tier character/leadership types. It's pretty simple. makes no sense to sign Johnson on any level. This team needs to built something from the ground up. You don't need to pay misfit types. And that's why he is here to begin with. Use one as a body for a year? Sure. Which is what we are presently doing.

I think it would be overblown if it was Theilen. But Johnson found himself in Carolina for a reason. So everyone is judged differently

This mindset results in paying Robbie Chosen Doug Frank Anderson….when you shouldn’t. there is a reason Johnson is here to begin with. He is a #2 that leaves a lot to be desired. Think he already is starting to let it show. I don’t think he plays very hard. And with his” I can’t play everyone position and make all the plays ” response the other week….thats not the type dude needed. We need leadership from the non youth guys we carry. That ain’t him.

was that a good game? Or a good quarter?

that's no archaic thinking. You have to be able to make plays from the pocket and attack downfield. Cam Newton did it. Lamar Jackson does it. Josh Allen does it. That doesn't mean you ONLY have to make plays from the pocket. But you have to be able to exist in a NFL pocket and be able to threaten a D. Name a successful QB that hasn't been able to threaten a D from within the pocket.

I mean, he put up 1000+ with rookie Levis last year. Results is what he does. Just about staying on the field.

Bryce to XL for negative 2 yards Bryce isn't a point guard after all. He is a tiny Kareem

What has always made Nuk great in his prime was his hands and ability to go up and get the ball. He has never lost that. he is auto 1000+ WR if healthy even at his current age. He was last year with a trash rookie QB. Healthy? Nuk all day. If you are trying to win now? Nuk. Dionate a better investment for a team looking further out.

I still think there are just flat out odds.....since Bryce can't be traded, he can give Canales/Andy a breather. Accident gives the excuse. Canales and Andy have been horrific of late. Likely would be in Denver IMO. So then the noise gets louder. Canales basically gets a pass with Bryce and can pick things back up w/ Andy vs some weak teams. I mean, this offense has been 2023-esque of late.....despite great OL play. Canales has to change that.

NFL is a nasty, nasty business.....and it's most definitely a business where guys see the underside of the bus on the regular. Playing Bryce on the road vs the #3 D in the NFL....will only hurt his stock. In no way does this week present a show him off opportunity. I think Canales is cool w/ that because the offers for Bryce are so comically small the Panthers are probably just not willing to take the PR hit of it.

Patrick Willis just got in 1st ballot with the same length of a career.

the glove fits, so you can't acquit

Disagree. They aren't looking out of Bryce Young at this point. It's the NFL. Dave Canales is looking out of Dave Canales at this point. That's how this thing works.

it can always get worse. Wait to we get to the Plummer games.

the Panthers have proven to be so massively dysfunctional there is no way to guess what they think and are doing. Org certainly looks done with him IMO. And if they aren't done with him....they got horrible management plan for him.

Here is my conspiracy theory. I think Canales is looking out for himself and using this as a window to protect himself/Dalton....and throwing Bryce to the wolves intentionally. Dalton/Canales have looked like dogpoo the last couple weeks. Now he has an excuse out of precaution...and can throw Bryce out there in a nasty Denver matchup and save him and Dalton some face. I think Canales is feeling some heat. Think he would much rather get dragged with Bryce than Dalton this week. Simple as that. And he has the safety route to claim. Hope to get Dalton and himself back to looking respectable the next 2 vs a now struggling Saints/Giants tandem of games.