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I assume Payton knows he only has a shot at a wildcard and knows the Jets are probably the favorite to snatch one. I'd put my money on NY over Denver to get one.

Nah, but they want to control the content and narrative that surrounds the team this time of year. if fans are out there with their cameras and spamming the internet then the narrative is whatever it spontaneously evolves into online.

Cam Newton was in a great spot. Double Trouble in the backfield. Multiple pro bowlers on the OL. A pro bowl TE and a soon to be pro bowl TE playing in 2 TE sets Hall of Fame WR Cam Newton went to a team that had a horrible record. The talent for Cam was far from horrible.

No reason to date to think we are putting too much on Bryce's plate. But I definitely think you can put too much on a player that isn't ready. Maybe it's the wording. But you can set folks up for success or failure. Let's say we asked Bryce Young to do what a vintage Brady to do last year. That would be 40+ pass attempts per game. That would be asking too much for a rookie QB. No indication this staff would be stupid though.

You are right. You win. Miles Sanders is a great 3rd down RB.

keeping score isn't that hard when it's only been going on way. anyway, feel free to holla at me when you have been proven to be right.

I mean, you can call me negative. Board is here for diverse opinions. The reality of our convos of late when this time of year comes have just been me being right and you wrong though. Guess we will see who ends up getting the lionshare of the 3rd down RB work this year. I'm going with not Miles Sanders. He will get early down work. As he should.

Best post Cam Newton throw to date is PJ Walker to DJ Moore in the last one vs Atlanta when DJ took his helmet off.

I mean the defender did pull up. But I think that was because he couldn't make a play on it when he got there. He was sort of drifting in and the ball placement went the other direction on him when he got there. I don't know if Young saw him. But I think the trailing DB didn't have an angle to light Chark up or break it up when got to the spot he thought he needed to get to IMO

Dalton lucky their ain't no DBO sign. That's a lap.

Just hoping you might actually be right. I mean at least be right one time.

I haven't ignored that. Evaluating someone as a 3rd down option isn't just about looking at the official drop tally on their stat sheet boss. Someone could have 0 drops and suck at the job. You don't read. I already acknowledged the GM/staff is likely waiting to see if someone wows them at camp in that role. Again, there would be no one to patch that niche issue with until cuts.

I'm not going nuts. I think we should round out our backfield before the season starts. You do that with cuts and bring in a niche guy. It's doable. So I talk about it. Again, seems like a pretty reasonable and doable thing to help the rookie. We have a hole there and I suspect we do it pending someone doesn't just blow them away in camp. Saying Miles Sanders and Hubbard aren't great receiving/3rd down options isn't outlandish. Nor is wanting to improve the RB position to cater to Young. my last outlandish claims prior to we should round out our backfield for the rookie QB we just invested in...... was Matt Rhule sucked. Ben McAdoo sucked. Sam sucked. Baker sucked. Real reaches lol.

I mean, you do realize the roster isn't set. League is full of niche/specialist players. Scott ain't done tweaking. That's just my want of tweaks. maybe you will do better with your prediction of how things play out this year vs the ones you were making around this time last year.

I mean, depth and a well rounded backfield seems like something everyone should want. I mean even if you love Miles Sanders game. He has suited for a full season once. So then Hubbard is the every down RB or you go scrambling in season? I just like more stability around a rookie QB. That's generally how they grow and see success. Put a bunch of dudes around them that are good at what they are asked to do. I'm talking about spending peanuts on niche player to ensure Bryce is successful and people flipping their lids as it is somehow disrespectful to Miles Sanders lol.

well, I will continue to hope that either Shenault proves capable of an expanded role and if not, they add a quality guy for that role in our backfield when cuts happen. Preferably the latter as Young's health and growth are frankly the only thing I care about in 2023.

I don't claim they rated him him poorly as receiver among RBs. They did. They have multiple times. logically, for a lot of the same reasons Philly steadily took him out of that role after his rookie season. Which was documented along the way. His struggles post rookie season in that role.

Well, I didn't start there. I started sharing some of the talk out of Philly that you somehow couldn't find on the ole google machine. You countered by sharing people praising his rushing. people around here love PFF stats every week after a game. I largely use it for fantasy and it's flawed. But yeah, generally when they say you are worst in the NFL at something......it's a stretch to claim they are actually solid at it. For example, I doubt you could find any player using PFF stats that ranked #1 or dead last in their rankings on something and argue in reality that they are actually good/bad at that. I mean, Miles Sandes excluded. Because that apparently is what you are going with now. It's interesting, so it's cool to critique an area of Hubbard's game. But not Miles.

when you pull up the RBs the list actually includes 2 FBs in the overall listing. Probably some glitch pulling them in as they are supposed to filter out. 149 was FB Adam Prentice. I mean, PFF is what it is. Like I said, love it or hate. They are mixing in all sorts of things into their grade evaluations besides just a math tally of credited stats. So two players with identical credited stats aren't going to grade the same. I think they should add a solid vet in cuts that has proven to be really good in that role. I mean, that largely remains my point. Which is why I alluded to all the Shenault talk they keep up with. They simply may be giving him a real shot to prove he can do more in the backfield. That would be the spot. But him being forced into protection would be the issue/unproven realm with him.

Good rusher. That's what he is. He gets credit for that. We needed one. Dude has holes in his game. Bryce Young is what matters. Matters why more than the annual over the top hype train game. We need more in our backfield than Sanders and Hubbard. That's not controversial.

lol. I mean, PFF is just one thing. That said he was horrific at that job. You can ignore that. You can ignore what the Eagles did with him. You can ignore all the consistent reporting on Sanders' game and what he is good and bad at. Chubba had a better drop % than Sanders last year. Guess Hubbard is Marshall Faulk now.

Just to be clear, I'm not upset about his pay. I just think the smart thing to do for Bryce Young is to give him a more well-rounded committee. We lack a proven and good 3rd down option type for the rookie. That's what a good committee should be. Diverse. A small rookie QB should have proven guys too. for some reason some are fixated that Miles Sanders should basically be a poor mans CMC and play every down.

graded the 147th RB out of 148 by PFF as a receiver in 2022 by PFF graded 110th RB out of 140 by PFF as a pass blocker in 2022 by PFF I mean, that is why he isn't an Eagle and Swift is. But yeah, a really good team deemed him not fit for that 3rd down role so it would make sense for us to do it with our rookie QB. my hope is they are letting Shenault essentially audition for that 3rd down role first. Because he can do the pure receiving aspect of Bryce getting it out hot. Lot of consistent talk about wanting him to be a lot more than be a gadget backfield guy. Not super cool with a guy just learning to pass pro in the backfield protecting Bryce though if him auditioning for that is the plan.

So let's take PFF grade last year on Miles Sanders as a receiving option amongst RBs in 2022. 148 out of 149 RBs graded. I mean, even if you don't love PFF. They get in the ballpark of things. And they didn't just deem him not effective. They deemed him really bad in both 2022 and 2020 in the receiving game. Miles Sanders is a natural rusher. Not pass catcher. The fixation on him needing to be THE DUDE every down here just isn't something I can get down with based on his last 3 years. I mean, a featured RB isn't something I want to begin with. Very few fit that mold in reality. A really good NFL team just told you he isn't that dude. Committees don't just make sense financially....they also generally make sense in being effective. He is a weak receiving option w/ a history of meh pass pro. Solid rusher. He has a place here. I don't dislike him. Bryce Young deserves more IMO.

he had a breakout year as a rusher. Which I acknowledge is a strength and glad he is here to do. And that's the role the Eagles used him in. The discussion is about the Panthers not having a well-rounded committee and a strong back for the rookie in passing scenarios. Miles Sanders and Chubba Hubbard are not receiving backs. And they especially aren't good RBs in that department when you factor in having a rookie QB that is going to need to be getting rid of it quick. Take someone else's take.... 2022 PFF receiving grades for all RBs CMC - 1 out of 149 Miles Sanders - 148 out of 149 I'm glad you listen to beat writers. Go listen to all the Philly writers who have documented and discussed why Sanders was used less and less in the receiving game as his career went on. There are reasons that aren't a secret in regards to the WHY he was utilized less and less in the passing game. Reasons why the Eagles leaned on Gainwell over Sanders overall in the postseason too. Philly writers that covered him for 4 years. Maybe check there thoughts out too.