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I simply acknowledge BY is the QB. And just like we did when we drafted him.....the type O you would need to setup around him for success was always pretty simple. But we have done virtually the opposite. XL dropping some passes isn't why we were ranked the 32nd O and 30th passing the past 2 years. *Ricky Prohel was brought up only in regards to role function he served on the team. Niche/specialist. He wasn't eating up the snaps in the O. AT should have a similar snap %. People could MAUL Ricky Prohel and put hands all over him. We got to the Super Bowl in part because we were mauling guys (our slot CB). You can't do that now. AT has a MUCH easier life and still can't get open. Or run. If you live in 3 WR sets, with a weak armed QB, and you choose to put someone who can't get open or run in the slot.......well, your are going to have a weak pass O. That's by design IMO.

Carolina's offense doesn't produce. Part of that, is we have WRs that can't get open and can't do anything with the ball in their hands. We live in 3 WR sets. And we choose to put an old, slow, no YAC guy there paired w/ our weaker armed QB. We make life hard. If you can't get open or make a play in the slot....you frankly have aged out. Doesn't matter how good your hands are. It's a lot of empty yards and punts by your O.

there is not a post in huddle history where I discredit AT's hands. slot is the easiest spot on the field to get separation and AT can't. WHOEVER you put there, pending they aren't horrific, is going to be a statistical leader on the team given we have Bryce Young playing QB.

I mean, let the record show.....I have long been on the AT rant before the Renfrow project was even a possibility. I have been on the big 3 for Bryce since the day he was drafted. slot, TE, and rec RB. I still contend we are building an O for someone that isn't BY....so what's the point. Pick a direction. The Carolina No Man's Land thing is just my ultimat pet peeve. and while I 100% am ALL IN on my guys comeback, I am on record Renfrow doesn't fit what a BY O needs either. He is just a low ceiling chain mover. BY needs a playmaker at slot more so than any other WR position.

I have literally said the exact same thing about BY and this O from day 1. The slot WR is the key spot in a BY O and you need big play out of it. And Hunter Renfrow doesn't check that box either for me, Renfrow's ceiling is also too low given what a BY O needs to be. Renfrow 100% can be a roleplayer off the bench. Which is what AT should be. This is the 3rd season of this BY experience. Part of why it is still a unknown mess is the team isn't built right for the style QB they have rostered IMO. Round peg, square hole, random parts. Tough to win in the NFL that way. *please also note, I defend XL (that no good dirty Gamecock) as much as anyone on this board.

espn analytics also had him like 130 in YAC and 90 something in terms of getting open. I mean, Ricky Prohel had a significant role on that 2003 team. He didn't start. Because he wasn't good enough to do that. If AT is starting for you, it's a problem. my AT issue is he is taking all the oxygen in the slot. Despite the fact he has good hands.....he keeps the ceiling incredibly low and THAT is going to be BY's key WR to go to (no matter who it is) given his style and attributes. I have had the same issue with this BY since the day we drafted him. You either have a BY O or you don't. I'm cool either way. But if you want BY to succeed your talent has to be slot, TE, and rec RB and it's got to be a YAC O. You put big bodies on the outside and play chunk ball? Well, let's move on now.

XL went to one of the worst teams in the NFL. One that features a weak passing O and bad overall QB play on the season. XL is getting way too much hate IMO. He had an okay rookie season all things considered. Very much on par w/ prospects that projected around the same area with him. Panthers made a 2nd rounder a first round technicality for that contract. XL also getting this weird kicker type blame for games. XL somehow single handedly lost us games on one play.....and then we ignore the rest of the team that went about losing the game for 4 quarters. Should he of caught the Philly ball? 100%. The O and D still played like garbage that entire game. Even after the drop, Panthers had two shots starting w/ a 3rd and 4 to convert. They kept playing bad instead. And even if we XL made the play....Philly would have had a minute and half to get into FG range to win it. Who is banking on the Panther D getting that stop? also, I am deemed Mr. Negative, yet here I am defending a no good dirty Gamecock lol

I mean, I don't think it's an issue. I don't think Eli Manning's style was an issue. Eli was just Eli. And Eli is probably a much more likeable human than Peyton. He wasn't going to act like his brother in terms of how he lead. You are going to have to get THAT elsewhere.

David Tepper has never won more games than Spurrier did in his NFL debut season. In fact the ONE time Tepper matched it….is when he tried to in season tank. Tepper is basically the football George Constanza

You can force feed the ball to all sorts of old vets in the slot and they will get 50 yards on a losing team. People are confusing stats with being good. Stats often lie. AT isn’t good. AT is a backup role player we choose to start and over target. Renfow realistically projects to be what AT should have been here’s A random role player you see on very select downs. Ricky Prohel.

As a thank you and to pull him out of retirement because our WR situation was largely unknown at the time. AT doesn’t start for 99% of NFL teams. And folks are bragging about our “deep” we are at WR…yet still want him out there. I don’t care about his cap hit. We should never of begged him out of retirement. We got tons of youth to rep. We weren’t a high powered pass O which means opportunities aren’t going to be coming out the ears for everyone to begin with. I support a real youth movement. It’s still development year, not a winning years. I can accept others want to watch a can’t get open, no YAC, slow, old WR with hands at the expensive of younger talent.

I think you could literally take any WR on our roster (top 5 ish guys) insert him into AT's role....and that WR auto becomes the most "effective" WR on the roster. Because that's the spot BY's is going to look to the most given his playstyle. and it keeps the O ceiling super low. BY really forces you to need a playmaker in that spot. You definitely don't need someone with nothing really in the tank eating that up. anywho, may take on why the BY offense has never worked has never changed. rec RB, TE, playmaker at the slot. That's what he needs. Right now, everything we add is on the outside. And that's not BY's game.

It's year 3 for Bryce Young. I mean it is about Bryce Young....but saying having AT rostered or not is some key factor in what BY will do or not doesn't sell with me. we literally just moved on from BY last year. I mean, people forget that is the reality of last year. Him getting the chance he did to "comeback" wasn't really in the plans of Carolina. They sort of are now stuck with this let's see year 3 of Bryce Young scenario. Which presents a really bad scenarios going forward. Getting stuck w/ a QB you don't really want and you know just doesn't have the ceiling. So to me, I just don't see the argument of having AT eat up the reps and looks he gets. Developing and targeting our younger guys is way more important than AT's fantasy volume....and AT hogging up the oxygen in our O keeps the ceiling low. If you have BY, you don't need AT types. Again, it's year 3. Training wheels can't stay on for him. He either can ride or he can't.

Dave and really Rhule.....were both billed as motivators. But they seem to be on the lite side of that spectrum. Rhule was more buffoon. Dave seems more buttoned up optimist than really your inspirational motivator (but I'm not sure that is really a NFL thing). The inspirational motivator is really more a college thing and one that might largely pre-date NIL IMO.

what else is a coach supposed to say about his quarterback? I think that's largely just a coach that accepts his QB isn't a barker. They are still going to talk glowingly about one that plays well or that they are heavily invested in.

he sounds weird. maybe ask him for his hotmail address and we can send him some more detailed info.

well, I mean, we could just close the doors.. But yeah, developing our young players is what teams do. This is the window where dudes like AT get cut for the young dudes to take over on other teams. AT is vastly overrated IMO. It's just volume and fantasy stats. He is out there doing small TE work in a position we need a lot more out of. If BY fails, it's not because AT isn't on the field in 2025. The BY pick is just a failure. And this is the season/time for that to be answered IMO.

it's year 3 for Bryce. So yeah, I just wany my young WRs hogging reps. Not AT. We are at the stage now where it's about focusing on others not named Bryce. If Bryce can't do it in year 3 and keep growing with a cast he is largely very familiar with (and that is minus AT).....then it's just a BY issue.

oh, as far the why? Because now isn't then. They had ZERO interest in AT being part of there plan going forward so they let him walkaway. Adding AT now is just about being a one season rental. They have space this year. Vikings won 14 games last year. They are team that expects to win. They are now limping into this season at the WR spot. One starter is suspended. Jettas looking hampered coming in. Could make sense for their 2025. Moving him actually could help both teams with their 2025 goals and he is irrelevant to both after this year. Vikings get a body. We get to put our young bodies in the spot AT hogs up.

I mean, BY has an entire collegiate career and 2 NFL seasons showing what he is on the field and sidelines. I mean, Cam was the same dude at Auburn he was in the pros. Bryce Young is the dude we saw at Bama for the most part (and that's when things were flying high for him).

well, my thoughts on AT remain the same. He is occupies too much oxygen. Too many reps that will serve us no real purpose as he is gone after this year. We need to be developing Tmac, XL, Coker, Saunders, etc. So, letting AT go is more about developing the young guys. Also clearing a spot for another young guy to be added. They never should of pulled him back from retirement w/ a thank you paycheck IMO to begin with. The cons of AT outweight the pros for me. I want to develop our young guys.

I mean, you aren't getting much for an old WR who likely is done in the NFL after the next 17 are over. but, for those not wanting to lose a Jimmy Horn type due to the bodies in front of him....it would get him a spot. I mean, the O should be running through Tmac, XL, Coker, Sanders. AT IMO stunts development as he occupies often ideal spots for youngsters to get the ball working the area of the field he does

I still think XL offers the biggest overall play potential on the O. Bryce and Canales need to find a way to give him some YAC opportunity that isn't at the LOS.

as Joe Person pointed out this am, there is a perfect opportunity to try to trade Adam Theilen (who has no future here) back to the Vikings. Really lean into Hunter tutoring Jimmy Horn and have Horn ready by midseason for slot reps w/ him. I mean it's not like you want Hunter out there run blocking either so both really a pass heavy look WRs

that wasn't directed at you. Just the general group thought on Tmac and what is expected. I think if you put up a huddle poll 85+ % would say he is a 1k WR this year and likely the favorite for OROY.