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Ehhh. In the five games immediately before his firing, our offense averaged barely over 17 ppg... We were on a hard course downward and while Nixon was not better, Brady at the end wasn't good either. After Minnesota the wheels came completely off save for a brief reprieve from Cam's energetic return. Excluding Cam's ARZ game, the offense averaged 11.8 ppg after Minnesota under Brady...

The Panthers do not have an expensive QB room. Just posting these since I think there's some misconceptions about what expensive salaries and cap hits for QBs are. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/quarterback/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/quarterback/ Cam vs Sam... I mean I think Cam brings more to the offense... But I don't want him back because it's hard to watch Rhule destroy him through poor management, bad OL in front of him, etc... I don't know if Cam can be a full time starter anymore but I don't think we would be able to find that out on our poo show. I tend to think he could be.

So I actually agree Rhule needs to stick with his process and Darnold alone, but that's because I think he's such garbage I don't want ANYTHING else wasted on him. But realistically, this entire team benefits from adding a veteran QB to push Sam in training camp. Ideally it's a very low cost short term rental vet. It should have been done in camp last year. It isn't just about Darnold either, good vets bring a lot to practice etc, but Rhule doesn't value NFL experience because he can't fathom improving on The Process. But instead we stuck with PJ so uh I'm glad the process can keep working.

Honestly I've always felt if you're sold on a QB as a franchise guy, you draft him as soon as you can. Those are first round QBs. Other QBs you think could overcome some major flaws, those are later round guys. I'm not sure but I don't see Howell in the first camp, and we are sorely missing picks. I think he, like most all of these QBs, can have decent success in the right system / with the right team. I just don't see Rhule as that for any of these rookies. He needs an incredible talent to carry him...

This staff shouldn't be trusted to evaluate QBs. They should have to stick with Darnold imo, bringing in a cheapish vet FA that won't sacrifice future assets...

I agree with the stance, but I think that is on Rhule, not on Darnold. Frankly the problem is that this staff doesn't recognize the value of NFL experience... Just look at who rhules initial coaches were. No surprise he didn't see the value of bringing in another vet to push Darnold

Had nothing to do with Sam, and he didn't make that choice lol. The team was moving on from Teddy regardless - Darnold though did keep them from drafting a younger QB. Teddy wasn't gonna be a Panther in 2021 ... It was just a matter of finding the right way for it to happen.

I can't wait for more opportunities for Rhule to embarrass Tepper.

"Cornering" the market, haha

The fact we aren't hearing "no his hands are like 9" " from his camp tells me he has very small hands. How small, dunno. Didn't make him more prone to fumbling in college but could in the pros. Honestly tho I think a lot of that is overblown.

They may be unusually small. Not sure it matters for fumbles. Hard to say. I thought NFL balls were slightly larger but that may be old info. Pickett had 7 fumbles and 1 fumble lost in 2020. 3 with 2 lost in 2021 Lawrence had 5 with 3 lost in 2020. Burrows had 4 with 1 lost in 2019. Herbert had 4 with 1 lost in 2019. Sam Howell had 4 with 1 lost in 2020 and 8 with 4 lost in 2021.

I dunno I think rules changes are making this style of play (or at least an extreme emphasis on it without a dynamic QB that can carry a team,too) outdated and ultimately unable to win it all minus rare circumstances, like reanimating the corpse of a Manning brother.

He just needs a competent OC and he'll be great

Wow, insane!!!

To be fair, Minshew actually had a pretty damn good year stats wise (and for the most part play wise), and he was benched a few games to secure the #1. There's only so much the QB coach can do with somebody like Mike Glennon etc... They turned to tanking a bit into the season too, didn't start out that way. Plus this team is such a dumpster fire, it's lucky anyone with significant NFL experience was willing to jump in.

I no longer care enough to hate this team.

If 1300+ yards and 10 TDs is figured out... Sure. Otoh maybe it was also Manning's slow decline. McAdoo also gave up play calling in 2017 - the team didn't really improve without him calling plays. He was a bad HC all around. Better OC and offensive assistant more generally so hopefully that carries over here.

Mcadoo did suck playcalling as HC but it had nothing to do with OBJ. OBJ was not figured out in 2016. He was highly productive. The offense wasn't great by any means, and I wonder if some of that was leaning on the D so much... Their rushing O was terrible 2016, but passing was still good. OBJ was injured in 2017, so... McAdoo was in over his head with both playcalling and HC. As just OC he seemed good, but he had excellent QB and Wr play.

As bad as Rhule is, there's enough talent on this team I expect them to win 4 to 5 games. We may pick top 5.... But I doubt it will be #1 overall...

Believe so, but he may have improved in that regard. Also may not be as much a problem for an OC. I'm actually surprised because this is the kind of move that could actually save the offense, although I expect it won't happen (him taking the job or being able to rehab the shitstain we call an O). Certainly better than the other options we've heard about, anyway.

Maybe Montgomery sees the process...

Wow, THE Scottie Montgomery? Glad they weren't kidding about about rock stars.

Not unless Rhule does very well next year we aren't. He has to make the playoffs or I bet he's fired next year (barring something like an injury to the QB torpedoing a great offense)

I mean, the few times the defense needed a stop in the 2nd half against decent opponents it just crumbled. And it often crumbled despite momentum from ST or the offense. So... Yeah. Average sounds right. Still far ahead of our offense but that isn't saying as much as it seemed midseason...

Why read an article when we can drum up controversy...