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Yup, just go with the younger and cheaper clone. Eat some of his cap and get some picks. Win win

No trade Moton as a RT at the end of the year and flip the cheaper rookie to RT, or build up his value as a LT again and just trade him for people that fit better into their desired scheme (what they should have done when they committed to it this year). The only LT option went on IR. Maybe he can do LT in this scheme next year but that is a whole other issue. As bad as he is this year, he is still the best option moving forward and if they changed the blocking scheme then it's not a huge negative like it is in their currant mess. There are plenty of OGs outside of the first, let alone top 10, to draft every year. I would rather see him get a shot at RT than LG moving forward.

So much value lost. Just run last years stuff and trade him away as a LT at the end of the year or better yet flip him to RT and unload Moton for some picks they could use to replace the OG and LT spots. I just see them ruining value if they are moving in a different direction from the guys they currently have. He can play LT, just not in this scheme and that should have a lot more value than just an OG you can find in the 3rd...with better people picking.

4 out of 5 is still way better

I liked the questions part but that's about where we split on all this.

Tool the oline to its strengths and not Bryce's and the offense gets better. That might be at Bryces expense if he can't adapt but honestly I would take that and not look back. Go back to a power run game and see if they can coach Bryce up. It's basically what you saw from Wilks last year and likely whoever they brought in to replace this coaching crew unless it's more of the same. I don't think there is enough skill, time or resources to build around Bryce with his needs. Just take what you have and try to salvage the rest. They have been operating on the inverse of that and it's 100% failure and it was all avoidable in the firdt place.

And I 100% agree about the subtraction not helping much. They have been doing that and ending up worse for years. They need quality additions yet they make so little of them.

Yes but is there any sign that is close yet? Many here see it as a need but does anyone in the organization that could make change? IDK and I haven't seen any sign they are deviating from more of the same failures. That is their MO, clueless commitment with zero competency. It's a poo stew and they serve it up every week for years now. SSDD until I actually see somethint change, even the ritual sacrifice of buying more time. It's so bad that people are blaming the fans lol

When he could use his freakishness he was absolutely clutch. When that ended so did his clutchness. And yes it wasn't always through the air but when he was healthy we always had a chance to win. Sadly your not wrong about the injury. Running was always a giant part of his game and that was the begining of the end. It was still fun his first game back but that also had to do with how bad everything had gotten and just having fun for a game again.

I stopped selling tickets under face value. I'm stuck with that bill anyways but I don't have to help them fill seats if they can't produce at a level that allows me to not sell at a discount. I did it for the Texans game and said fug it moving forward. Thank god the Cowboys fans were dumb enough to massively overpay for my tickets before the season started. I hate everything about this but I'm not helping Tepper beyond the 2 years I am stuck with at this point. I sure as hell am not wasting a whole day to see this quality of football.

Thursdays are terrible quality games and these are 2 not good teams. All I know is it's going to be unwatchable and likely 1 if not both teams playing very bad football. It's going to take a lot worse than just bad football to crank the pressure up. They had 2 years of really bad football under Rhule and still signed up for year 3. Again, still no signs anyone in the organization is at a breaking point yet where we see change.

I am not impressed with Brown either. He is extreamly raw and it's another Brady situation at best again with him. Frank just came here and continued his spiral into retirement. It's exactly what it looked like when he came here. Even Ron had a small window of mediocraty before he continued his own downward spiral with his new tram, Frank did not. The entire staff and front office should be purged. But that just leads back to the biggest problem, the Teppers.

That would take admiting the situation and they are still chasing the dream they built so poorly.

Rookie QB or not good enough filler, the results have been the same except under Wilks with the mentality of calling it what it is and not what they wish it is. And I wanted none of Wilks long term but he was dead on in that basic approach. I'm not so sure on Bryce in Houston. A bump in play? Sure. He is just so limited and to set him up requires so much more than a Stroud. Our oline falling apart to accomidate him is example #1. I think he can do better but his limitations also are very real. I see no real reason to respect our run game in this scheme and roster build. It looks built for Bryce at the expense of the rest of the roster IMO. The lack of talent is another multiplier of the other issues. It's so bad and them playing away from their roster's strengths makes it so much worse. I'm past mad and into just making fun of it. Tepper is the one I save anger for and I am fine watching him eat dookie while he continues on with his failures.

There is zero 'how do we make this work' mentality and it's always 'this is the new way' BS since Tepper came. That was the one huge positive Wilks showed and no one recognized it or valued it. I'm with you. Bryce is screwed here at best. I was never a fan of him but even I can see he is just another symptom of the Tepper problem around here.

He certainly isn't worth building around in the future and at this point they should flip the oline back to late last year and if he isn't good enough to play in last years easy oline scheme then it really doesn't matter. I don't think anyone involved can afford that yet. Until the blame potato firmly lands on someone that won't really be an option.

Not me. I hate wasting my life on a check working for an destructive idiot. I 100% get it and respect that choice to take that money but it's not for everyone. I also have never been locked into a contract so it's easy for me to say, i can just go look for another job and jump ship while they can't. That's hard for me tonaccept because I value freedom above pay, as much as I can grab for myself. You are dead on about the situation. I still think something breaks and leaks a little again as Tepper applies more presure to 'fix' the issues. The last time he did people were talking a lot about what was in the grapevine. There really doesn't look to be any relief from the Teppers problem any time soon.

Most of the people that work for Tepper seem like paycheck first type people. Until he creates the pressure from blindly raging while giving a need to open up I fully expect them to just keep collecting checks.

They picked the wrong QB at an embarrassing price, they hired the wrong staff and their rosterbuilding has the same vision that Ray Charles had but it's a fan problem in the end... There are things in the new NFL that are dead from the old NFL. Fans just being blind simps with open wallets is one that I personally won't miss. Fantasy football, the modern draft experience and everything that goes on in the internet have helped to kill the old ways. Blaming the fans for any of this is focusing on the symptoms and none of the causes. Having it come from another source that helped kill the old NFL is peak irony. Bryce always looked like a miss but the rest has made that fact so much worse. But the fans...

He is terrible and the Panthers could absolutely do better. We could also do worse but that is just because of our Teppers issue. I get the married GM/HC philosophy. It's solid. I also don't think Tepper can hire a better GM with a decent plan in mind to overcome their coaching staff issues without another crew. If he could hire a GM with a HC target in mind and just ride out the year with Frank then cool. I just can't see anywhere near the competency from Tepper to think of this let alone pull it off.

We fans are sure. I haven't seen much beyond the OC calling plays to suggest they get how bad this is and make moves that big like changing back to a mauler apraoch. Too early from this game but I completely expect more of the same. Tepper is too clueless to understand anything and it's not an approach any of this staff would willingly do as far as I know. It's more of the same until something breaks the cycle.

Moore is going to go Smitty on us lol. They could end up with 3 wins on Thursday. It would be hilarious becaude it's at Tepper's expense

Yup. And suddenly the run game would improve. Short term fix but what low hanging fruit when there are so little positives to be had.

It's special in all the wrong ways

Fug it, just run the old blocking scheme. At worse you build up his value for a trade if they want to continue their dream build. Hell the entire line would probibly improve.