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There is of course nuance to the situation that can't be summed up in a single sentence, but if the team is 3-11 at this point next year the odds are that there has been no development and bad personnel moves were made. Arguments like these are why Rhule got the entirely undeserved year 3 - if it's clear that someone doesn't have it, you don't sit around and waste time for the sake of 'consistency/stability'. That said, such a scenario would again point back at Tepper as the root dysfunction. Who knows if/when that would ever get corrected.

Yeah but how many of those were Big Time Throws or Gold Star Plays or whatever random-ass esoteric made-up stat one might use to make things look better/more interesting than they might actually be?

Yup. Rivera and Hurney both should have been gone after 2018. It was all downhill from there

This is really the biggest thing. At minimal points has the offense seemed elevated due to him at QB. When things were great across the board, he looked OK, even good from all reports. When things are not great, he has not shown little if any ability to elevate and overcome that. That is not where an NFL team should want to hang their hat, and competition should absolutely remain on the table.

Which changes nothing about Carolina's inability to extend this season as was suggested and makes that window actually even longer than 2 years.

Can't extend a UDFA until after their second season.

Team sucked. Dallas walked all over them, especially the OL. Feels gross just saying that.

That's really the crux of it. Bryce was already an outlier at a historical physical disadvantage when he came into the league. The standard of proof was already greater and that is just the objective reality of it. Couple that with the poor first batch of work and that standard remains arguably even greater than before.

And Bryce with another terrible underthrow. Dude's biggest weakness for sure.

Maybe you should go back and watch the prior 17 or so before judging off of 3-4. Perhaps read up on trends, stats, and sample sizes as well. And again, where am I judging anything? I have pretty clearly acknowledged that Dallas is whopping the whole team today.

Hater is a vapid and intellectually empty term in these discussions. Anyone that uses it in a discussion where there is clear nuance has their own obvious biases. It's an eyeroll inducer.

Yup. It was 17 or so games of middling to outright atrocious play and 3-4 of improvement. The sample sizes speak for themselves... just takes time, and time is very clearly on one side of the argument right now.

This thread is about Bryce alone so makes sense to discuss him specifically one way or another even when it is a team failure.

Yeah, this thread. Lolz. Y'all are funny... pendulum already swinging back. https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/266031-salute-to-evero-and-this-defense/?tab=comments#comment-6614088

Weren't folks just celebrating him a week ago?

I do agree that the OL has sucked/Dallas has had their number today from what I've seen. It happens.

I mean, my mom died and I've been coaching youth basketball every Sunday so haven't watched in weeks. Sorry, not sorry.

And when I see it, I'll comment. Again though, those QBs I compared to had their moments. They just aren't good enough to win the big ones in this NFL. I haven't been one of the 'he's not an NFL QB' guys, I'm just on the 'ceiling isn't high enough' train. Thanks for chiming in though.

And that throw from Rush, and this game in general, shows exactly why single instances of looking good is meaningless. My take on Bryce has always been that his ceiling is somewhere around Bridgewater/Alex Smith levels of effectiveness and results. Haven't said much these recent weeks since I haven't had a chance to watch. Can finally watch this game and it's ugly, but Dallas seems to be eating their lunch today in general.

Folks, take note of that throw from Rush. This is why some of us say that certain things are NFL table stakes that any QB can make. The best need to do it consistently, and that is the threshold for franchise vs just being NFL level.

Good thing there as nobody within like 7 yards, as Coker had to dang near completely stop. All worked out OK I guess but well underthrown vs where it could ideally have been. Finally able to watch a bit today for the first time in weeks. Bit ugly so far but that happens.

Duh. My point was that the pitchforks weeks ago were ridiculous, which is why the pendulum has to swing so far in the first place. No poo that things change over time.

IMO the team is absolutely not past the point of needing a vet backup and someone who can potentially challenge, at least not this season. The seeming catalyst for his improvement was getting parked on the bench for someone who they felt offered a better chance at winning. The guy went into last offseason as the 'unquestioned guy' and got worse, so why would you take away that air of competition at this point? Let him continue to feel at least some kind of heat and external motivation to improve. One more season of development and maturity an then sure, that makes sense. But this sample size and the timing is not large enough for that approach.