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Also when I say the 2020 draft is a unicorn, you'd have to go back allllllllll the way to 2004 to find another draft with similar success. Before that? Good luck going back that far! Edit: Ooooh, I did find another...1971!!!!!

Thank you for asking. I want to move back in this draft and stock up on skill positions (outside of QB) and draft the defensive-appropriate personnel for a 3-4. Prior to that I would like to pick up either Brissett and/or Minshew in FA on a 2-3 year deal (backgrounds with Indy/Philly). Get the rest of of the roster molded in the form that this staff is looking for and then in 2024 get the rookie QB. Then there is zero pressure to start the guy right away. If the rookie impresses, there's no major blow back (cap wise or from the fans) benching Minshew or Brissett if the rookie is ready to go. Moving back this draft also gives us more picks for the 2024 draft in case we do have to move up some.

Let's go back to QB draft classes beginning at 2010-just 12 short years ago, shall we? Qualifers: still the starter on original draft team, top 10 selection. 2010-None 2011-None 2012-None 2013-None 2014-None 2015-None 2016-None 2017-One-Mahommes 2018-One-Allen ----------------------------------------------------- Still on rookie deals 2019-Two- Murray (extended), Jones (Jones not offered 5th year) *2020-Three-Burrow, Tua, Herbert [*unicorn draft] 2021-One or two- Lawrence and Lance? Wilson is washed with the Jets 2022-None-None was worthy of a top 10 pick, lol! Take out the unicorn draft and you have 5.5 (Lance is a .5 until we know more) top 10 QBs in the past dozen years still starting for their draft team. A slam dunk moving up for a QB, huh?

Tua is one hit from retiring and up until this year, Jones was on the chopping block. Daniel was playing so lights out that the Giants forgot to pick up his 5th year option. Ooops, how did they overlook that? The 2020 draft class was and IS an outlier. All three of the top 10 QBs made the playoffs. Can't pretend that happens with any regularity.

Geno Smith, Kurt Cousins, Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott, Tom Brady, Jalen Hurts and--for cying out loud--Brock #255 Purdy. How many of them were top 10 draft picks?

Lacking blue chips in the first round is exactly why you trade BACK, get value and build draft capital. Do you realize if we trade back we can get another first rounder to possibly move up next year? Saying this QB draft is awesome because other positions aren't as strong as other years is laughable. This QB class is mediocre at the top and weak after that.

Only 1/4 of the League has a top 10 drafted starting QB still on their original draft team, but WOW thinks he has this thing figured out. If it were only so simple... Trade up for the QB, bingo--Super Bowl!

You obviously don't understand how the draft works. I also debunked the "every year" thing. Two years doesn't make it "every year". The Saints will give us a run for the division. If we make the playoffs, it will be short lived, only because we won a weak division. I think we are building something here, but my hope is the staff is a little more patient than some of the fans.

People saying we will be too far out of range for a top QB next year. Two first should do the trick and stocked up on picks this draft. #thinkoutsideofthebox

That would have been the draft to do it, 2020. The Jags weren't giving up Trevor at #1 in 2021, so that wouldn't have occurred. Wilson is a bust, Lance is an unknown and Fields is iffy. Plus, Rhule decided to pass on Fields...didn't even have to move up. Last year was one of those QB classes you stay away from. Granted we took a flyer pick with Corral in the 3rd, but no harm done if he flops. I'm just glad be didn't get desperate for Kenny Pickett.

Generalization about "every year" is overreaction. We rightly didn't draft a QB last year in the first round because it was garbage and the previous two years Rhule wanted a veteran. Before then we had Cam since 2011 and didn't need a first round QB. Secondly, this is still not a playoff roster--yet. Next year we will be about a .500 team which will put us drafting in the teens. Also, it will be a deeper QB draft next year where moving all the way up for a solid QB won't be needed. Even so, if Williams or Maye is your target, what's another first rounder in 2026, right? Draft picks are a non-issue when getting your guy...seemingly.

Spoken like playing with house money. Yes, absolutely there is a risk and NONE of these guys close to a sure thing. It would sad, but this board will be crying the blues if we move up, dude looks middling-to-bad and next year's QB class is loaded while we are forced to watch helplessly without a first rounder.

There absolutely is a risk and forfeiting 2024's first rounder (at minimum) is too much to ask. Moving up to #5 is much more palatable. Visit a trade chart and also the QB draft graveyard, then see if the risk of *no matter what* is reality or hyperbole. I mean we can do a Ricky Williams-type trade and move all the way up to #1. I mean, although a RB, dude was a can't miss prospect, right?

You have to hope Irsay gets a man-crush on Levis. Jumping ahead of Indy to get to #3 will be too rich for my taste. Pie-in-the-sky discount scenarios to jump all the way up from #9 is pure pipe dreaming. Indications are the Lions are going to stick with Goff, so we will just have to get ahead of the Raiders at #6.

Not too far off, but the bold is how I prefer it.

A bit of flattery there. I get Josh is likes Stroud, but sometimes when giving praise the comparisons get a bit lofty.

So you good with Brissett or Minshew?

Lol at AR/Levis actually not busting or moving all the way up for Young/Stroud for a reasonable trade like shopping the thrift aisle at Dollar General. That's truly funny!

Ok, we are just going to disagree on this. I ain't changing your mind and you certainly aren't changing mine. Again, the urgency of this fan base is shading the glasses of this QB class more and more rosy. The Burrow comparison did elicit a chuckle, I must confess.

I don't want Carr.

No I don't, but Young is at best somewhere between Tua and Murray and Stroud is a Fields clone. Is that something I'm willing to give up the farm for? No. Pull up our roster and tell me how a rookie QB, even if Stroud or Young (not happening) is making this team better? The pipe dream is Levis and AR not only starting day 1, but also panning out. Neither of those guys are plug/play and will absolutely bust if forced into action prematurely.

It is. Take last year's craptasic QB class as the comparison, sure, it looks fantastic. Stroud and Young are good and AR/Levis are major projects. None are great. Beyond those Hooker would have been a nice fall back play, but the ACL. Go beyond that and most of these guys won't even make a NFL roster after cut downs. People are talking themselves into this being a better QB class than it actually is because we NEED one. I'm willing to bet most of these people on here would not be hyping these guys nearly as hard if we had a solid QB and took a more pragmatic view of these QB prospects.

I hope they stay put then. I know the QB purgatory we've been in and I also understand moving up for a player you really like. It seems, at for the fan base, the first is necessitating the later. Let's just hope the the coaching staff doesn't feel that pressure. If they TRULY, 100% are in love with one of the QBs, then go get him. Moving up because the fans--even David Tepper, are being impatient is the wrong way to go.

You don't win a marathon in the first mile, this is going to take more than the 2023 season. No, not the 7-year Rhule, but 2-3 years. Unless Stroud or Young falls to #9 (not happening) I don't like drafting a QB this year. Too many holes to trade draft capital away and AR/Levis are long term projects at best (likely busts). Don't screw up our cap for a mid-tier, severely overpriced FA. Again, the practical route isn't very sexy, but it's likely the correct one to get this team going in the right direction.

I wonder if Tony Gonzalez wants to break into coaching? He's still in broadcasting, correct? What's Antonio Gates up to these days?