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				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
https://espnswfl.com/listicle/the-dolphins-basically-turned-the-trey-lance-picks-into-tyreek-hill-jaylen-waddle-and-bradley-chubb/ it cuts both ways, and again you are way overvaluing Brian Burns - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
there is no true way to accurately grade these types of things, its almost completely arbitrary with a lot of moving parts and factors. - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
Its insane - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
that is a seriously seriously flawed study, it takes all of the draft picks rounds 1-7 into account in the data and doesnt give round credence at all - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
Hot take - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
But, uh, the data and numbers are wrong - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
^ that clearly shows he is average at best. What am I missing? - 
	
	
				Brugler: Next year's quarterbacks "not universally loved"
mrcompletely11 replied to Mr. Scot's topic in Carolina Panthers
That would be even worse - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
They have 3 wins as we speak and no viable method to improve in the off-season. It’s a lock that they will a bottom half team for the next couple of years. Their line sucks, their rbs really suck and the qb is a perpetually hurt 35 year old. Not sure why you are having trouble understanding why they are in a decline as a team. - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
They can try to do everything they want to be competitive but they are shackled with no draft picks and no cap room and a roster of a bunch of old players. - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
So is evil hurney not even going to address Moore isn’t a pro bowler? - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
With their best player and coach openly contemplating retirement and a team deep deep in salary cap hell - 
	They being whom exactly?
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				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
Ellis' podcast is a must listen. Every week. He and billy give very unbiased takes good and bad about this franchise. In that podcast you are referring they stop short of talking about fitt and catch themselves before they seemingly give up some nuggets on the situation. But yeah their going through this trade is worth the listen alone - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
keep reading - 
	LOL you cannot make this up, now Stafford has a concussion.
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				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
Finally have a chance to dig through this. A few thoughts here. While I appreciate your work I dont think it makes sense simply to say a trade is worth it based on pro bowl alone. Seems a bit arbitrary at best. But say we do grade it like you want then as we mentioned Moore is not a pro bowler so that trade flips. Also in your analysis you dont take into account salary/contract structure, value of draft picks to move up/down in draft or how those picks translate. I agree what you put together is at least something to try and be objective about whether we should have or shouldnt have but its not even close to the full picture. And to nitpick even more you could easily argue that the pro bowl is similar to the nba all star where the fans dictate a large deciding factor on who makes it so its a bit subjective as well. I mean Gilmore made the pro bowl last year and didnt even play half the season so its probably not a fair measurement either way. - 
	
	
				Probability Analysis of the Burns and DJ decision
mrcompletely11 replied to Evil Hurney's topic in Carolina Panthers
Dj Moore hasn't made a pro bowl - 
	Re burns: Once he is extend his value goes down. The Rams wanted him cheap. I seriously doubt we are getting 2 firsts and a second in the offseason and furthermore why would fitt decide to trade him in the off season? In regards to the moore deal, I said it was worth a debate not the slam dunk that the burns deal was and if it ends up being a top 10 pick i think it blows away moores value then. As a fanbase we tend to overvalue our players. Like Burns, moore is good but he is not a game changer.
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	The Packers offered a first for moore. The 3 win green bay packers
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	The cap hit can be sustained. And I have no clue what making great trades for great value has to do with tanking. Nobody in the nfl would have blinked an eye trading moore and burns
 
