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Waiting for my connecting flight that takes off in 30min salty af because by the time I land in Vegas the game will be over. Watching Dallas lose in the Dallas airport is pretty sweet tho.

Icky expected to play!

Ugh Cade I know his best OL + WR are out but at this point he's literally tripping over his own two feet. I was blown away seeing some of the first-round projections on him coming into this season. Still a looot of ball left to play tho. Hopefully he gets things moving.

Not the FSU chop while theyre interviewing DeBoers lmao

The sign on College GameDay saying "Georgia likes wearing Tennessee orange" with pictures of UGA players in orange jumpsuits for their mugshots is craaazy. Bet that it'll be a good game at 3:30!

I have a feeling that the only hot seats this season are Evero's and Young's. Canales and Morgan likely get at least 3 years with year 3 being the year they get "their guys" should those two not pan out.

No. Eat poo.

Doesn't help that Coen beat up on Evero's defense pretty good last season both times. Looks (and sounds, according to TLaw) like he has the scheme figured out.

Wanted to give a quick shout out to those of y'all participating in the discussion in good faith. It's been a nice change of pace for some of us fans to combine our knowledge and try to figure things out rather than just looking for a scapegoat to blow off some steam. ♡

You exclusively highlighted Hunter's name on the injury report and then immediately cast blame. I've pointed out that this wasn't the hospital ball you claim it to be while also acknowledging that there could have been another option to target instead of Renfrow. By everything you've expressed here, you don't think seam routes should ever be thrown. I don't know how that helps the already struggling offense, but I do know that it would make it even worse than it already is. Scapegoating never has and never will solve anything. Tell you what: Try not blaming Bryce or casting shade his way for the entire week after Arizona and instead look at the other 21 starters and assess what they're doing (again, without shading Bryce). I'll join you and refrain from exploring what the rest of the team is doing and will focus solely on what Bryce needs to do better. Deal? This is a sincere peace offering to allow us to explore the other's perspective and perhaps be even more informed football fans.

You're acting like Bryce put him out for the game and the week when that play happened at 4:01 in Q2. Renfrow was targeted four more times after that. Plus, a hospital ball is a poorly placed pass that puts the receiver in a dangerous position to take a big hit by being late or inaccurate. Ball is out an on its way here. The catch is made at the 25yd line on the hash. Renfrow jumps for no reason and is airborne when he's hit. Bryce doesn't drift him over in front of the safety on the throw and as we can see from the capture that he had the right read. Could he have also waited a little longer for XL to pop up over the middle on the in route? You won't hear me disagree with that. Would have also likely netted more YAC than Renfrow would've considering positioning and momentum for both players. I like that option better than the one he took, but you're also not going to see me make 10 different threads about it like we've seen this week. Also worth noting that while Renfrow didn't need to jump for that ball that he did run a beautiful route to get open.

Some fans are now calling seam routes hospital balls? Wild.

It's a QB driven league, which means that all of the parts surrounding the QB have to be in order. No OL? QB isn't going to have time to throw or be able to hand it off. No weapons? Won't matter how well they play, can't catch it for them. Bad coaching? They're not the ones designing and calling plays. Football is one of the ultimate team sports. All 11 players need to be in sync rather than one player being dominant (imo). Hell, even with Tom Brady, not a single one of his rings came without a top-10 defense on the other side of the ball or a top-10 OL in front of him. I can understand people having lost patience with Bryce, especially starting off on the wrong foot for the third season in a row. That's not an issue. The issue I have is with folks being intentionally misleading and attempting to tell other posters what they're not allowed to talk about. Considering how often Red has claimed others have done this to him it is interesting at best, disingenuous at worst for him to turn around and do the same.

If not for Jaycee blowing up the block intended for him and tripping up Dyami, that jet sweep might have ended up being a house call. The design and flow of Coen's play calling impressed me, especially with the way he was presenting different looks and using plenty of motion + misdirection.

I hate how true that is.

The team is in desperate need of complimentary football rather than this, "One side will have to carry the other" Hell we've been in. Offense has to turn clock-killing drives into points and the defense has got to get off of the field on 3rd and long. It's going to be a long season, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel in the form of $70M in cap space for next year and a full slate of draft picks (including MIN's 5th instead of CAR's original 7th). If Bryce looks more of the same then that first rounder is going directly to a QB. If he shows that the end of last season wasn't a mirage then BPA all day, every day.

DB was definitely rusty and wasn't attracting the double blocks that he had in the past. Seahawks fans were saying afterwards that the Panthers found out the hard way that BB3 doesn't play well against the run, but he posted a better run defense grade than pass defense. I'm hoping that with a familiar foe coming up in Arizona that BB3 can settle in more (especially with Turk out for the next few weeks).

How does spending rankings determine sole fault? Outside of the folks that want this to be exclusively Bryce Young's fault, most rational fans understand that the offense and defense combined for a stinker. Bryce didn't play well enough, Nijman didn't play well enough, Corbett didn't play well enough, Legette didn't play well enough, the TEs didn't play well enough, the entire defense minus the CBs didn't play well enough. The only players that played well enough were TMac, Jaycee, Mike Jackson, Hunt, DLew, and Chuba.

I wonder how much of that is a combination of swapping out over half of the starters from last season and one less week of preseason for teams to get on the same page. We usually see defenses ahead of offenses at the beginning of the season, so the defense starting slow is a concern. It was particularly frustrating seeing guys that have been in the system for a year or longer failing to execute. I like Nick Scott as a person and appreciate his ability to communicate the scheme to the others, but Lathan Ransom has so much more upside. Speaking of Ransom, I'm hoping between today and tomorrow to review all of the rookies on defense since they didn't have many snaps to begin with.

I haven't looked at any of the ILBs in this class. Any recs on who to keep an eye on?

There is over 10+ threads to bitch about the offense in. Please keep discussion in this thread on the defense.

Yea, 55%+ iirc I thought we would see more cover 4 and 6 looks like in his first season, but it was a lot of soft cover 3 again

Boo, the formatting is being a pain in the ass and won't let me move the third video listed under "Q1 12:03 - 3rd & 10 from JAX 41" to under "Q3 04:25 - 3rd & 10 from JAX 14"

With there already being quite literally 10+ threads about Bryce I figured there might be a couple of posters that would be interested in talking about another poor performer in Jacksonville: the defense. Morgan made revamping the DL his primary focus this offseason in order to try and fix the historically bad performance that was put on the field last season only for the Jaguars to run for 200yds. With that performance, Evero's defenses in Carolina have now allowed 200+ rushing yards 26 times in 35 games. Even if Etienne's 71yd scamper doesn't happen he would have still averaged 4.8yds a carry. So why is it all of the same, even with different bodies? I don't know yet. That's why we're doing this. Something that caught me off guard from Sunday's game was the Jags' success rate on 3rd down. I'm hopefully not the only one that felt like the Jags were converting on 3rd down at will, but after looking at the box score it appears that on 12 attempts they were only able to convert 5 times for a sub-50% conversion rate. How can that be? When Jacksonville needed a first down on third and long they seemed to get it. Wait a second... 3rd and long? Maybe that was why it felt the way that it did: the Jags were 3 for 6 on 3rd and 7+ to go. They were also 2 for 2 on 4th down. Those type of conversions are backbreakers for defenses, so let's take a look at those conversions to see if there's anything we can figure out. On one end, we have a situation where the defense is at an advantage and another where that revamped DL should be able to show it's value. Q1 13:47 - 4th & 1 from JAX 37 This play felt like a taste of things to come. From their own 37yd line the Jaguars lined up with 2TEs and both WRs to the boundary side. Carolina is in their 3-4 base with a single high safety and showing an over front. It's worth mentioning here that the Jaguars aren't just lined up E-T-G-C-G-T-E... they're lined up T-T-G-C-G-E-E. The Jaguars send Dyami Brown in motion and run the jet sweep to the field side with the two TEs to the right moving out to the right while the rest of the line crashes to the left towards the boundary (and away from where Dyami is running). PJ2 is left unblocked and gets mixed by the fake handoff to the RB. Jaycee and Jackson do their best on the left side vs. the tight ends blocking them while Trevin is in pursuit from behind. Wallace had no idea the jet sweep was happening until it had already happened. He was cheating up and then went left afterwards. Great playcall and design by Coen here. If not for Jaycee knocking Brenton Strange backwards and tripping up Dyami, this might have gone for a lot more. 1A.mp4 1B.mp4 Q1 12:03 - 3rd & 10 from JAX 41 Right after giving up a 4th & 1 the defense gives up another conversion, this time on 3rd & 10. The Jags start come out in the shotgun with the receivers set up in a 2x2 and the RB to TLaw's left. Dyami Brown motions across the formation towards the right side of the field so that the Jags have trips to that side. The Panthers are playing off coverage and are in an over front with two safeties split deep. The ball is snapped aaaaaand... it's cover 3 zone. Panthers are in a dime look with a 3rd safety and Moehrig starts to carry Travis Hunter but doesn't pass him off to Nick Scott. This opens up the spot Moehrig left for Brenton Strange to settle in to catch the ball underneath. Turk Wharton had jumped offsides to start this play as well. Somebody clearly messed up on this play and I think it's Moehrig because I don't think the playcall meant for him to man up on Travis Hunter. The more we do these over the season, the more answers I imagine we'll find as we see repeats. 2a.mp4 2b.mp4 3b.mp4 Q3 04:25 - 3rd & 10 from JAX 14 This and the following offensive drive for the Jaguars effectively killed any chance at trying to catch the Jaguars at 20. Backed up on their own 14yd line on 3rd and long, Jacksonville marches out their 11 personnel while the Panthers have their dime personnel with a third safety. They show an even front and man alignment but with off coverage. Surprisingly, rather than cover-3 we get a cover-6 call. Nick Scott backpedals all of the way from the 26 to the 40 to be the deep half defender as Mike Jackson passes Dyami Brown off to him from the 24 (where the first down marker is). Jackson passed him off because Brenton Strange was coming open underneath to the flat. As soon as TLaw sees the pass off he fires it over to Brown who makes the comfortable catch. Mike Jackson immediately tackles him as Nick Scott hustles over from 10yds away from the play. I think the clear issue here was Scott getting so damn deep. The LOS is the 14, first down at the 24, and he's all the way back at the 40? 3a.mp4 Q4 10:44 - 4th & 1 from CAR 34 The Jags line up with both tight ends inline to the boundary (left) side along with OL6. Nothing fancy here, just a HB dive. BB3 showed good get off here but the center for JAX did a good job bumping him and climbing to the second level to seal off Moehrig. DB got pushed back a little bit by the LT after bumping into BB3 and the RG did his job in sealing ARob off enough. The Jags won in the trenches... not much else to say here. Moehrig could have started coming downhill a little sooner to try and shoot the gap, maybe? Other than that, ARob winning his match up could've prevented it? Regardless, this sucked because it gave the Jags another set of downs to run the clock down with... you know what? Moehrig should've shot that gap. It's 4th & 1 in the fourth quarter and there's enough time to get two or three possessions. He's opposite of the tight ends and Mike Jackson has 1-on-1 coverage on the outside. Moehrig has to go downhill here. 4a.mp4 4b.mp4 Q4 09:16 - 3rd & 8 from CAR 29 And just like the drive to start the game, the Jaguars end the 3rd quarter and start the 4th with a drive where they convert on 4th & 1 and then 3rd and long on the next set of downs with a long drive that ended in a field goal. Jags are in 11 personnel while the Panthers are in nickel with Scourton + Johnson as the EDGEs. Bunch to the right and who wants to guess the play call by Evero? If you guess cover 3, you win! Coen did, and the Jaguars were able to let Brenton Strange settle in right between Rozeboom + Moehrig for a 10yd gain on 3rd & 8 to keep the chains moving. 5a.mp4 5b.mp4 The conversion rate on 3rd & 7 - 10 in the NFL is 34.42%. Not only did the Jaguars convert half of their 3rd and longs, they also had two drives where they converted not only a 3rd and long a 4th down as well. Their first drive to start the game, a 13 play, 55yd drive that took 6:45 off of the clock (and netted them 3pts) and their third to last drive of the game. That later drive was a killer: 15 plays, 49yds, 8:07 possession time. Those two drives alone drained a total of 14:5, an entire quarter, off of the game clock. They only came out of both drives with field goals, but that's still just not going to be good enough results by the defense help this team win games. Evero's scheme works when the team is ahead and teams have to throw the ball more. In a dirty slugfest though? It's not holding up well at all. Combine that with the Panthers' offense starting slow yet again and this might not get better until the team starts playing more complimentary football. It's only week 1 though and there's a lot of football left to go in the season.

You know... I was going to try and focus an all-22 review thread on some of the "major" moments during the game on offense but seeing as how it feels like a lot of the more vocal fans would prefer reaffirming their feelings I'm wondering if focusing on the defense instead would provide better value.