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I just don't understand what these scouts and everyone saw on film. Like I know that QB is also about being a leader, being a motivator, being the face of the franchise, all this stuff. But at the end of the day the freakin' game is played on the field, why is it clear to me as an average joe on the couch that I can simply think, "I like this CJ Stroud kid, he's got poise, he's got size, he's got a good arm, he can scramble if he wants, he makes good decisions, he checks almost all the boxes for a prototypical NFL Quarterback, which is exactly what you want at the #1 spot ESPECIALLY IF YOU TRADED A FUTURE 1ST AND A WR FOR IT!!". I simply do not understand how that gets botched so bad. Here was my average joe thoughts on Bryce Young, "I like this Bryce Young kid, he's a gamer, he's tough, he plays at Bama, he won the freakin' heisman, he makes plays out of nothing. BUT, due to what we gave up for this pick, at his size I simply can't take this guy at #1 over what CJ presents. It's too much of a risk and I think the size plus arm talent notches CJ just above him anyways." Like what? I know these dudes that get paid to watch the film saw it all on there so what gives? My thinking? Fitterer and Tepper just fell in love with Bryce's intangibles all over off the field that the film got minimized a bit too much. Bryce is smart as hell and can talk in the room better than CJ probably can, no doubt in my mind, but good god man, game is played between the white lines guys. I'm just so annoyed with everyone involved here, we as fans are so screwed for the next 3-4 years like I said. I haven't even mentioned the fact that we can't even draft anywhere else very well either.

Where I'm at midseason: This franchise is doomed for the next 3-4 seasons minimum. There is no choice now but to eat this poop-sandwich that Tepper and his yes-men up top have created. You simply cannot pay the price we did to get to #1 and completely whiff on the QB, just can't happen. BY may improve, and he has my support, but he's so clearly limited at this level that I'm just not holding my breath for him to become a top 10 guy.

100% suited for a rookie qb for the fans, the ownership and front office decided to finally give us one with a horrible supporting cast around him. Oh and they probably took the wrong guy and paid an embarrassing price for it.

Miles Sanders should be cut right now. What a bum

Stroud was so awesome today, but it felt like Bowles didn’t do a damn thing to switch anything up against a freaking rookie lol. I’d be livid if he was my coach and I watched that.

It was noted on The Roar podcast but I missed a lot of this game, wasn't it all operationally much better pre-snap? As in the call got into the huddle quicker, we broke out of the huddle with time on the play clock which I think helps Bryce and this offense, then we used some amount of motion right? That's something to build on and so is a game winning drive in front of your home crowd, that's always good.

This felt like it was always going to be the outcome there, that hire was awful from the get-go.

Nice, hope he can contribute.

He's worth keeping around as annoying as it can be to watch him play

I'll take it to be honest. Probably came from Tepper too

Im actually excited to watch that game for the drama. It’ll be interesting that’s for sure.

... and as we've seen so far there's very little chance that will ever happen. Hell if I was the owner of an NFL team I'd be all up in the business too. It's his toy!

He's definitely got this entire season for me even though I'm pretty sure we took the wrong guy and even next year so we can build on this. But it's just bleak right now there's no doubt about it. Like everyone else has said he's just not "popping" in any category when you watch on TV as a casual. #1 picks should always pop on the screen as they'd have an elite trait but I'm not seeing it.

Alright grandpa time to take the keys from you for a little bit....

Appreciate you putting this all together for us.

If true and he does something drastic then he's going to rubber stamped as one of the worst owners in the NFL instead of being thought about as one by his own fanbase and nobody will want to play/coach here. Nice! But also.... the product on the field this season has been unacceptable so I kind of get it.

We literally have no choice in that due to injuries

Trial by fire, I feel for him but it’s good learning experience. Hopefully he grows from this.

Players play. It’s always talent over coaching when it’s that black and white of a question. But obviously there’s a ton of nuance to that.

Source? Or just made up? We won a crucial matchup vs Washington late in the season didn't we that put us one spot behind the Chargers. That's sick.

Im embarrassed for whoever created that passer rating statistic when I look at this list.

Whew he really does think he's one of the best in the league, bought a little too much into his own hype and everyone in the building has enabled it. Shame shame shame another L for Fitt.

We basically need all pro guards and center for this operation to work with Bryce. That is what allowed Brees to be so good.

Not surprised to hear about Bryce "kill" plays at the line of scrimmage against a Brian Flores defense. He's always going to bring the heat come hell or high water.

I agree with all of this, I'm not mad at Bryce, but at everyone in the Panthers front office and coaching staff that fed us all this poo about him this offseason before we got to actually watch it on NFL Sundays. But your point about his size in #2 ain't changing no matter how you slice it and that is worrying me. Yeah sure if he was taller maybe he'd have a longer leash but he isn't, he's small out there point blank period. Propensity to go down easily when touched by a D Line, not stepping up into the pocket (size thing? Unsure.), not the biggest arm, etc. etc. etc. But this coaching staff and front office has utterly failed him so far.