tukafan21

His cap hits are $63 million a year the rest of his contract. He’d have a $200 million dead cap if cut this year and $136 million if they cut him next year. The only thing they could do if they wanted to move on from him during these next 2 years is to just bench him. Even to get rid of him the next year would be a $72 million dead cap hit. Worst contract ever

Quirky yes, but not old, at least not in modern NFL QB standards for a player with his pedigree, he should have a few more solid years left in him (I don't think he was all that bad this past year, he just had a horrible team around him and a coach who was purposefully tanking on him so he could have a justified reason to do exactly this). The quirky part is the bigger issue in finding a landing spot. The fact that former teammates have come out and talked about how he doesn't give out his cell phone to even offensive teammates, that they have to go through his agent to talk to him, is SUPER weird, for any NFL player, let alone a QB. It's about the antithesis for what today's QB's should be doing and is the reason I wouldn't want anything to do with him if I was a team looking for a QB, even if I do think he still has a few decent years left in him.

I'd have been all for this move after last season, but I'm less certain of it after this year. He's had injury issues his whole career, but he just played in all but 1 game this season. No, he's not an all pro corner out there, but he's more than serviceable as a #2 if he can stay on the field like he did this past season

I actually think the Detroit side of it is very reasonable now due to the unexpected cap increase, however the same cap increase means the flipping of the pick for one of those 2 WRs is less likely to happen. This board is much higher on Jameson than actual Lions fans are, they still like his potential, but they're much closer to giving up on him than expecting him to be a future star. I'm from Detroit and most of my Lions friends still talk about that as a possibility, mainly because they don't think Jameson has the hands to become a great WR and is mostly going to end up as a speed/gadget type of player. 2 weeks ago they'd have been less likely to make the move as signing Burns would have been difficult, but the unexpected cap room makes it much more doable for them now. However that same cap increase is also why the 49ers and Bengals are more likely to try and keep their WRs for one more year as each player's contract isn't far off from the unexpected cap increase amount, so they have a path to keeping those players for another season before needing to move them.

Not exactly a fair question for this situation though. Pretty much any Top 10 picked QB that gets traded during their rookie contract, is doing so because they already look like a bust. Most aren’t even traded, but cut, outside of Darnold, Lance, and Rosen, no other recent trades come to mind while still on their rookie deal. This is a very unique situation where they lucked into the top pick of a draft with a generational prospect. If this was last years class and coming off the season Fields just had, they wouldn’t be looking to trade Fields right now.

Jameson and their 1st rounder Then send that 1st rounder to the 49ers or Bengals for Aiyuk or Higgins and sign them to an extension. Aiyuk, Thielen, Jameson, Mingo would be a real nice Top 4

VERY hard pass on Hollywood Brown, he's barely a #2, let alone a #1. He couldn't even get on the same page to put up good numbers with his college QB. He'd just be a repeat of Chark, signing a #2/3 with the hope they can be a #1, basically, a mistake. Only way I'd be okay with signing him is if we end up with a true #1 and then he can't get the contract he's looking for and comes here on a 1 year deal for like $5 million to be our #2 (which isn't happening). I'd love Ridley, but I don't think the Jags will let him go, nor would he want to leave Lawrence to come play with Bryce. Realistically, our only shot at a true #1 WR this offseason is trading Burns for a 1st and change and then flipping that pick for Aiyuk, Higgins, or a Tyreek/Diggs type of situation where a player is traded instead of given a new contract, like maybe DK Metcalf.

The only reason Jefferson might not want to re-sign with the Vikings is because he wants to know their long term QB plans first The Vikings current long term QB situation is better than ours... they're not tied to a bust they're forced to keep for another year or two and can do whatever they want. He's not coming here because he wouldn't be willing to sign a long term deal with us. End of discussion

So.... a couple things..... First, despite you believing I do... I don't stalk your posts and track everything you say on here. But when I see the nonsense, I call it out and you get frustrated over it. So even if you did change your tune on Higgins at some point, I never saw it, but it's still a moot point as you still missed the point in this post here. Because, second... you said the way Bryce was playing took us out of the Higgins FA pipe dream and how trading for Higgins was our "best chance" to land him. No, it was our ONLY chance, because there was ever going to be a FA pipe dream because he was never going to hit free agency, he was always going to be tagged and traded, that was never even a discussion. However, with this unexpected cap increase, now they may just tag him and keep him for one more SB run with him, or even try to find a way to sign him to an extension because of it.

Not really, they might try to ask for it, but teams aren't going to give it to them. Because as you said, it's all relative... contracts are still relative to the other contracts out there in the league. Teams aren't going to give players bigger contracts than they deserve just because the cap went up in one offseason. The only impact it has on this years free agency class is that it allows the cap starved team a lifeline to be able to re-sign players they expected to lose. In reality, what this unexpected cap room is going to be used for with most teams, is to give out contract extensions to their existing stars and use this unexpected cap space to give out signing bonuses to help out future season cap situations. It's a godsend for teams like the Chiefs who were going to lose a bunch of free agents due to cap space issues.

LOLOLOL Once again?!?!?!?!?! Dude.... you spent the entire season screaming from the rooftops about how we needed to break the bank to sign Higgins in the offseason, while I consistently pointed out to you how he was never going to hit free agency, but get tagged and traded, and we didn't have the draft pick ammo to go after him. My post here had nothing to do with our ability to trade/sign for either of them, was just a general comment about how this increased cap room makes it much more likely that both teams can find a way to keep both players for next year.

This unexpected cap in trade is TERRIBLE news for us Means teams like the Bengals and 49ers have a more realistic path to making it work out to keep Higgins and Aiyuk

I actually wonder if a trade with Seattle of Burns for DK would be on the table. They just hired a DC as their new coach and have a need for pass rushers. They just drafted JSN and have him on his rookie deal for a 3-4 more years, while DK is going to want a new contract next offseason, which they might not want to do. I'd make a call if I was Morgan and look into it, but those are also the player we need to look into, same category as guys like Diggs, Tyreek, AJ Brown, the last few years, players nobody expected to be traded but their teams didn't want to give them a new deal.

Not even remotely close, we won't get the 2 firsts, but we'll get one first and some change, no doubt in my mind we'll get that (or equivalent through players instead) if we tag and trade him. Panthers fans are down on him because he didn't have the dominant season we expected and they purposefully sought out reasons to not want to pay him by focusing on his run defense struggles. He played on a defense with no other edge rushers and had no offense so were constantly playing from behind, no pass rusher is going to put up elite numbers in that situation. Opposing teams focused their pass blocking schemes on him with no fear of the rest of the defense, and most of the time he wasn't ever able to just pin his ears back and rush the passer with a lead. Plenty of teams will be wiling to give up a 1st rounder for a known pass rusher of his ability and age, knowing that once they put him on a defense with better players and playing with a lead, he'll put up big sack numbers. Panthers fans are the only group of people who don't think he's worth that, NFL GM's disagree with them. Also, part of why a team will give that up, is his numbers this year likely dropped his contract demands to a more manageable level. He'd make a lot more just playing on the tag this year, but I don't think he wants to risk it again for another season, he'll take his $25 million from a contender and be happy.

Literally said it in the post just before I think a 1st, 3rd, and 5th would be a very reasonable ask and something a team who feels they are a pass rusher away from contention would more than be willing to give up for him. No matter what Panthers fans feel about him this past season and his performance, the league views him as an elite pass rusher. We might not be able to get the two 1sts for him anymore, but a single first plus a few mid round picks is more than doable, maybe could even do better by getting a 1st this year and a 2nd next year from someone. I'd then be more than willing to trade that 1st for either Aiyuk or Higgins, a trade I think both of those teams would be willing to make as they then get a 1st round pick at a position of need (likely defense for both) on a rookie deal for the next 4 years instead of paying those guys. Or maybe a team like Houston who has a bunch of promising WRs and could use a pass rusher would be willing to give us their 1st and Metchie. Then go into next year with our WR room being Aiyuk/Higgins, Thielen, Mingo, Metchie, Laviska, which would be a dramatic improvement over this year.

Because he's still young enough that if he plays well the next few years, he'll still get another monster contract after this next one. So a team would expect him to sign the new contract, now have no fear of being hurt and losing his big pay day, and him going out and playing loose and balling out with the hope of cashing in again in 3-4 years for a 2nd monster pay day. Luvu also wasn't expecting a stupid big contract, he was playing for a good deal, Burns knew he'd get one at some point, kinda very different situations. But yes, at this point, I'd much rather have Luvu at a much lower number, trade Burns for assets and use that money elsewhere at the same time

Aiyuk is my top choice, Higgins is second After that, I don't think Ridley or Pittman are leaving their current teams so I'm not going to bother speculating on them, Evans is staying in TB or signing with a top contender to chase another ring, and I'm a very hard pass on Hollywood Brown. Problem is both those teams will be trading those guys because they can't afford to sign them to long term extensions, and thus likely will be trading them for draft picks and not interested in Burns who they'd then have to give a big contract to (maybe the Bengals could make it work, but the 49ers sure as hell can't). So really what we need to do is find a team to trade Burns to for a 1st and some more on top, maybe like a 3rd and a 5th, and then try and trade that 1st for one of them, again, Aiyuk is my preference between the two. If we can't make that happen, we have to hope someone like Tyreek or Diggs in the past few years becomes available unexpectedly and maybe we can trade Burns for them. And no, I don't want Diggs right now, just a horrible fit for each side of that one, he wants to win and get force fed the ball down the field, we aren't going to win and Bryce isn't a good enough QB for him to want to play with.

THIS? dumbest sequence of trades and picks that THIS?!?!?! franchise has ever seen? THIS?!?!?! I think you meant to say "the NFL"

What's that? Having less people be able to see your asinine posts and thus less people with the ability to call them out for how non-logical the ideas are? Sure, guess that helps you not look as bad at this as you really are

I'm the one on repeat? All you do is keep throwing out the most unrealistic ideas, so I keep pointing out why they each aren't at all realistic possibility. You don't understand the NFL, at all, it's so painfully obvious and it makes this place worse off by having you posting on it, it makes the Panthers fan base look extremely ignorant (from a football standpoint, I don't mean to demean you as a person, just your knowledge of the NFL game).

It's not about accepting how you view building the team, it's that you don't look at things realistically. If you want to make your stupid suggestions for what moves we should make, feel free. Just please doing it in a way that takes into consideration the roster and salary cap implications, because it's painfully obvious to anyone who has seen your posts for the last year that you just don't understand those things. You don't live in reality when it comes to the Panthers, you keep saying how signing Jones would make us an elite defense, but ignore that signing him would almost assuredly mean we can't keep Luvu or Brown, and likely then also can't solve any WR problems. When after Brown and Jones, our 3rd best defensive player would be Horn who can't stay on the field and I honestly can't tell you who would be our 4th best player, that isn't an elite defense. In your head, we'd be adding Jones to this past season's defense, but in real life, there is a 0% chance of that happening, it would cost us at least 1 if not both of our other two good defensive players from this past season. And again, it's not just about adding elite players, it's about adding the right players at the right positions. We don't need another pass rushing DT, we need a 350 lbs run stuffing DT (assuming we keep the 3-4). I've also agreed that we need a new WR, but again, you throw out the most unrealistic scenarios, such as all season long you kept talking about how we have to throw the brinks truck at Higgins, despite it being SO OBVIOUS to anyone who knows football, that he was going to be tagged so they could trade him.

And this again is where you prove that you don't understand how building an NFL team works. If we were to sign Jones like you want, it's not just adding him to this years defense. If we were to sign Jones, odds are that means we aren't able to re-sign Luvu and most likely not able to keep Burns around as well, as he'd likely cost what the two of them would make combined. Do you still think adding Jones would make us the best defense in the league if you took those two off the team? We'd be a team with two elite DT's and nobody else even close to being good enough to make us a top defense, let alone THE top of the league. And yes, there would be ways of signing him while keeping them, but that would then mean even more cuts to other places, like Moton for example, which would only make our already poor OL even worse, and thus again, cutting off our nose to spite our face out of your NEED to get "elite" players regardless of age, position, fit, cap sense. You want to win RIGHT NOW... but the fact remains is that the Panthers will not be a winning team next year, no matter how bad you want it. RIGHT NOW is the time to properly build up the franchise, and you don't do that by signing a 30 year old DT to the biggest defensive contract in the game, not when your current best player is already a DT who needs his own contract extension.

I mean to be fair, he said that on stage while he was uber drunk and his agent immediately tweeted out that the bartenders need to cut those guys off LOL

I keep repeating myself because you keep putting out utterly moronic ideas about moves this team should make. You don't understand how real life NFL teams operate, you live in a fantasy/madden world and view real football through that lens. You were the person saying we were going to contend for a SB this season, instead we ended up with the literal worst team in the league. But keep telling me about how I don't understand things and you do, go on, keep saying it