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So you are saying we should have torn down and done a full rebuild. Were you saying that at the time or making that judgement in hindsight? The way it all happened was not simple. You are suggesting a simple plan, but that isn’t how it played out. If you are doing that you ride Rhule down to the bottom, which wasn’t done either. Brother I will repeat, it a convoluted mess. The Burns thing alone took a year and a half to play out.

I have been desirous of a stud TE in the past but that is too much of a luxury right now. IMO. For one big thing I don’t believe we have a QB that will maximize the investment. If people think we could recreate Cam and Greg, I would say they are dreaming. For another we have holes a lot bigger than a perceived hole at TE.

That might be a good argument against spending the 19th pick on a TE. Committee is working pretty well.

There is the answer as to the 5th year. I knew there had to be something.

Yeah that would be cool.

Yeah. I haven’t seen much if any move up in the first talk. Seen some trade back to get some ammo to move higher in the second, I have said that.

He flashes, like a caution light. What did he do the very next game? For example. It was SF MNF. Not too good. IIRC Canales tried to parlay that Atlanta game into okay Bryce can beat you with his arm. How did that work out? It flopped. That is what we have been sitting here saying. He has played well but then it disappears back to same old Bryce. His floor is the problem more than his ceiling. He must raise his floor. That is the assignment and honestly it was the assignment last year too. You ready to pay him?

I said before, if his level is Rams WC game and can make that be the norm, I would be okay with him. It was not Great and I don’t like not having certain skills at the position but it was good enough to meet an acceptable competitive standard. For me. To get off his ass.

I can see that too. I am keeping in mind that we may have two shots, another next year. A guy taken this year could become ROT maybe as soon as next season. So maybe there is a second round guy if they don’t like the options at 19. ps I would understand if they hesitate to jump in with both feet for LOT until they have a definitive take on if Icky can come back.

Need will drive up the price. Supply and demand. I know Darnold had a 14-3 year or something before he got 3/100. And Willis obviously hasn’t. I still think it will take more than 12-15. We’ll probably find out within a couple of weeks.

They strung that along for years though. And still, after Brees left, have gone 9-8 twice, 7-10, and they won 5 and whatever the did last year. They look to be straight at QB again, I think Moore is a good hire…. I could deal with that in a few years if we could win a few years.

Yeah the more I learned the less interested I became. And wasn’t interested much in the first place.

Would you want to pay 30? I think it will be a lot closer to that than 12-15 when it all shakes out. I’m not thinking I want to, with Bryce still here.

This might not even be related to his play. “Not expected back” gives us nothing, it could be he doesn’t want to come back. It could be we want to move on. If he is seen as a street level talent the only thing he offers above a random guy is familiarity. At this point I would say he is probably out of upside. So if we can find equal with some upside, that is what we need to do. Hard to say with such little inside info.

They think it’s hitting a baseball I guess. 3 successful ABs out of 10 gets you paid. I have a post from a day or two ago just off the cuff, I didn’t document… but going through the season and putting his quality performances in one pile and the rest in another. I don’t know what kind of success you can have with that. People who think that because he played well against the Rams in the playoffs means that he will do that in every game going forward are willfully ignoring the flip side. But his people have always been fond of cherries. It doesn’t mean he won’t but it in no way proves he will.

Yeah we just can’t accept that level of play going forward, from a guy in his 4th year.

I think he has closed the gap a little bit between him and a backup coming in and badly showing him up. But not so much that someone could not come in and make the offense look like Andy did in Seattle week 3 2023. That poo was night and day to Bryce was putting out. So, they are in a sense playing with fire by getting rid of Dalton and actually trying to bring in someone to push him.

Getting better, might be fairly charitable. We finished 1-3 with the pressure on. That is for sure not trending up. I don’t see a clear run of performances that prove he has taken it to another level. Not yet. I would say he played really well in the WC game. And folded on that last series where we still had a chance. I think he threw one good ball. That last series is the kind of thing a player is supposed to learn from and not repeat. We have to see him do it before we can credit him for doing it. I would also say he has not done enough of playing at his ceiling and what we should expect as the game in game out norm is still not established. We gonna get MNF in SF or we gonna get the WC game? Seattle or Atlanta yardage record? Besides that he has three years of horrendous play to start the season hanging over him. Are we going to get that again or will he be over that? We can’t know that. Mind you, that isn‘t two of three it is three of three he has yet to play well to start the year as a pro. Ofer. So, many questions remain. As far as weapons and help… said it before. Fix the OL so we can protect him. It is time for a 1.1 pick in his 4th season, third year in the same offense, to elevate the players we have given him. You can’t keep up the level of investment dedicated to propping him up, you have to prop up the defense too and get some balance.

That is discussed a little in this thread, it got pushed down off the first page:

It would be something to go yet another year with no 1st put into the defense. I think that would make 6. 6 years without a 1st rounder for the defense. And we seem to be fuging stuck

In The Athletic today: The Panthers will let all of their free agents test the market. The list includes running back Rico Dowdle, who will not be returning to Charlotte unless he finds little interest following back-to-back 1,000-yard rushing seasons. The Panthers want to bring back a pair of offensive linemen — center Cade Mays and swing tackle Yosh Nijman, who would start while Ikem Ekwonu recovers from patellar tendon surgery. Mays is expected to land a deal in the $8 million-a-year range. Nijman would come considerably cheaper. Even if the Panthers re-sign Nijman, look for Morgan to draft an offensive lineman for the first time since replacing Scott Fitterer in 2024. A tackle is in play for the Panthers with the 19th pick. — Joseph Person ———- I interpret that as saying they want to get Nijman in the fold and try to upgrade from him in the draft.

Yeah, that is literally it on Corbett. It says Mayes and Austin Corbett both hit FA, Corbett is not expected back. Nothing else.

I am not sure, someone upthread proposed that Leo C is very good at run D not so much in coverage. I guess my thought was, if he struggles with that maybe we do need to spend more. If… being the key to it and yeah I don’t know either. (My MO these days is mostly, do the studying after they are Panthers if they are seriously on the radar on March 9 I will probably look at some video). Gonna indulge my fanboy and say with Morgan and Luke on the scene I trust them to know.

Read what you wrote again. The combine is all about the players who will be in the draft. It is going to generate draft talk by its very nature.

We do need a guy that can cover.