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I get the rookie QB formula and fully expected to see it implemented. Oh well. For the run game there was no or very little under center stuff until a good ways into the year. At least that is how I am remembering it. And no deep throwing - so stacked boxes which you can say chicken or egg on why. Hard to run like that. The QB that people said was so great was pulled for a designated Hail Mary thrower. That’s pretty unusual. And may speak to why we saw few deep balls in some part, along with the OL. To ignore that stuff means you aren’t working with all of the information when you try to mentally model or project what it might be like on the field. Me, I have a slice of hope that he could maybe be NFL average but getting him to be a plus type of QB is a huge job. It depends on designing the playbook with certain values at the foundation that have to be adhered to first . You have to integrate the other pieces around this one guy’s skill set because he is a real outlier. And he has to learn the under center skill set. Maybe put that Only Positive thread back up people can go there if they don’t want to deal with rightly frustrated fans.

It is tiresome for sure. This whole 6 year run is tiresome. I am tired of this team. Really just, can’t stand ownership’s reign and decision making and am worn the fug down by them. And the people who defend their mistakes, year after year. Oddly enough I have optimism, slight but it is there. Not about Bryce, he represents the bad Tepper decisions to me and either will change that opinion or he won’t. I just have a decent feeling about the Morgan and Canales duo.

That's not totally the case. It is hard to discuss future without a crystal ball, you look at the past the to assess and project, and there is a lot of on field negative from year one. Some people say throw it out. You can’t dismiss things that were on him and not the OL or Reich or Chark or Mingo etc., if you want the real story. That footwork is not just people picking on him, it is probably a huge barrier to his potential success. All the passing comes from a base and if it is off the throws are hard to trust. OTA optimism is fools gold tbh. It buys nothing. We have seen the skins and shirts all stars enough times to know what that is. We will need real football at real football game speed which we won’t get even in preseason. That said I expect him to somehow make his way to somewhere in QB tiers or rankings to maybe low 20s. Gotta win 6 at least for that. My opinion is if they can make a playoff run with a 4th tier QB then fine but I’d just as soon go over to the side of those who for years held out for a QB capable of taking the team to and winning a SB. I am not thinking he is that guy so far but taking this year to find out is necessary.

That known quantity quality WR under a bargain multi year contract is a large part of the price too. That’s what really got me about it. Spend all that for an outlier QB and take away the best WR on the team. And they spent the next two years chasing WRs. That makes sense right?

Yeah, Chud. Agreed. I really liked his first year and hated him in the 2nd because of what you are saying there..

I have to say, if I were Stroud and they took Young over me, I believe I’d think they didn’t know anything about anything and I was lucky not to have to go there.

Why are they cutting a day of practice and training out?

I hope not. It likely happens if Young is banged up. There isn’t a real incentive to dump Bryce if he is stinking it up... best be not trying to win if that’s what is going on. I still think Dalton would give you the best chance.

Even the harshest critics should wait a few weeks. New offense, new coaches, new players, all that. Even with 4 preseason games the 1st week was never a good indicator. With only three now, I am telling myself it is 2 games before poo gets really real. I did that every year, just totally didn’t ascribe a ton of importance to what happened Week 1 good or bad. That said, last year in game one I was completely confused, hurt and angry lol.

He really would have killed it with the proper mechanics. Another level.

Fox lost a lot of my respect in 2010 for not taking the high road and coaching hard. He just stuck it to JR any way he could.

I think Moton is somewhere around Wharton. Who was really good for us.

This is exactly what they should be doing. I really think the best shot Young has to not revert to that bad stuff is have him more under center because it requires a different process altogether. Which can maybe be developed easier because you are not having to erase a bunch of instinctive ingrained counter productive habits, or have them fight against the new way. Wild idea probably. I have always been a skeptic on whether he could be torn down and rebuilt because it is really hard to do for most.

Last year. I was real disappointed in just about everything from the coaching hire and real down on the draft, then we saw preseason. So, not excited is a nice way to say it. More excited this year, or probably a little more long term hopeful than last year because so far I like the Morgan and Canales team. That’s real easy to do now, before we know how these draft picks and the team in general look.

The biggest thing going in Panthers land is the QB and the passing game pretty much and the OL and what it will be under Canales. What’s it going to look like. Somewhere down the list are the rest of the topics. So that’s gonna happen. And the only way that trade gets forgotten is if Young is so much more than he has shown. Sorry. That’s the reality. If he fails it won’t be forgotten because it is probably a top ten disaster if it goes that way. No one will care if he is great.

2.7 seconds. If he can get the ball out in under 2.7 accurately to the medium and short routes then they can have a better offense than we saw last year. Someone said he only had 1.5. That happened more than it should have but that was not the norm for the majority of the snaps. Maybe spending $153 million buys a little better than the weak players mostly involved in those 1.5 fails. Maybe Corbett sucks as a C but let’s at least wait a couple of outings to declare it. If he is adequate at best the OL might become an asset as the year passes. Looking at you Icky. How they help him will be a big part of how well they can operate. I think he needs a lot of help. People were beating him with quickness you have to help him. Unless he just morphs into reliable. I do think it’s on Young to protect his tackles and himself by making shallower dropbacks. Canales looks to be taking charge of QB operating procedure and pushing it more conventional which I am for. Question on Young, what is he really good at? Because Canales keeps saying he is going to find what Young is good at and lean into that. So whatever he does best along with handing off plenty seems like the plan. I get afraid when he throws a shallow to the sideline pass of any distance, so they’ll probably do a lot of that.

Come on man, I was joking. The target was not your non diva boy. Show me without telling me....

We’re fine, we don’t need to worry about some overpaid diva. We got us a point guard now and won’t need to be paying high prices for WRs.

They act like because he did throw a few good deep balls that he will do it every throw. Conflating ‘can’ with ‘will’. We are gonna find out late summer.

Yeah that was my thing. What is special? Above average? Only thing that could be legit special is something we can’t see. He not special in any way, physically, relative to NFL special. That does not add up to that level investment to me, not close. I know I said third round ands maybe not with the over valuing of QBs but that guy just is not a player you assign that value to before he has ever played an NFL down. I need to see him vs NFL players before I do that. My thinking pre draft.

The NFL... it is not like it used to be. It’s gone way past making a buck and putting a product on the field. When they take public tax dollars and funnel it back to a team the poor lose big time. They take people's money and give it to a multi billionaire. While he prices lower income people totally out of being able to afford to support the team by attending games. Good plan for the billionaire. And his people.

I go back to the hole the Panthers put themselves in and his positive track record with getting production from ‘problem’ QBs. Which, we have one. I go to the idea people were putting forth on these younger HC prospects - that maybe you take a guy early and let him grow and give him all the help you can. Like a QB go figure. I think that is pretty much where it is right now. I think Canales could be good.

Trigger word warning... I thought the consensus was that it couldn’t be done in a year. So it was not all going to be done and we knew that. I guess we have a fan consensus that they should have fixed C before RB. Or, maybe C is fixed and we don’t know it. Or it is just down their list a little.

Apparently they had a backup there they like already. Competition.... what a concept. So maybe it does matter a little. Think Rattler would get poached off a practice squad?

Saw a headline saying Rattler is struggling in OTAs. I was on him too, so look for word but didn’t go past the headline. Just FYI.