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Aimless for over a decade disregards 2015. And this other thing, with the scouts being "like they weren't even in the room. They'd get excited about a pick coming up and who they thought would be a good fit and Hurney would just go another direction and then they would be questioning why they even bothered. Hurney did what Hurney was going to do without any input from anyone else." Is this documented or is it your interpretation of events?

Burns might. Burns might.

As far as the OL, look at the Saints when they took Kamara. Point being we modeled after that OL. Anyhow, Bingo! A weapon right out of the gate, and I am pretty sure he went in the 3rd. I believe he was outshining CMC in stretches those first couple of years. edit: I wouldn’t turn down a Tolbert comp. Bowling ball, hands, nimble feet, will; and can block.... yes that would do nicely.

I meant to say I hope you are right about making the call if the progress is less than encouraging, I fear reluctance to throw in the towel. At the same time, you’d figure that Canales and Tepper would have had the conversation outlining a lot of if/then scenarios. We’ll see.

You remember the coaching search? The Jet Set. Dave and the missus, huge entourage. Heavy on the analytics and test scores, the idea that the brain could bridge the gap created by physical shortcomings. That approach fits Tepper to a T. I don’t believe that impression was entirely fan created.

The rule is, (with DJ) don’t make a hole where there isn’t one. You have enough holes already. Still trying to fill it.

I so much agree with the general idea here. That poo was written all over Reich’s face once the pads came on. I was looking at it like the offense was drawn up with the assumption Bryce was going to be executing it, but once stuff got serious the player’s floor was just too low for it to work. And the panic button was pressed. There was that very weird week with the Jets and the pads had come on ands the teams scrimmaged, and it just seemed like things were a black hole after that. Two weeks into the season Reich wanted Young to sit. Tepper is like, no Frank this is all your fault, you better fix it yesterday. Oh boy, yay. Go Panthers.

It’s possible to have a passable offense with Young at QB, but it will be all about that point guard stuff. Which, when a guy makes a play that is exciting. Mainly I am curious to find out the method of exchange from C to QB. What Young’s drops look like. If they are doing anything about under center - becoming able to snap it gun or hand to hand fluidly switching, and integrate that with play action That sauntering slowly away from the LOS ’technique’? A mandatory option?

I haven’t really looked at the QBs except just a little looking into Rattler. My first thoughts, without looking at Penix Jr, lead me to... spending 33 on a QB - that’s your top pick two year in a row. It is a huge statement. It screams flat out replacement ASAP. I am a charter member of the hard core buh bye Bryce bunch, but it is a very heavy handed thing where you probably dead end Bryce whether Penix Jr is the guy or not. And the effect on the team psyche is, well the potential for dysfunction is high. Maybe not the best approach. Unless Penix Jr is Really The Guy. In which case, I am like Bryce freaking who? You mean our overpaid backup? Edit: I think what I am trying to say is ity shouldn’t cost that much to replace Bryce, in my mind. But the goal isn’t really just to get over that bar by a little, it is to get The Guy. But I definitely want them to put some competition in his path. I am gonna watch some Penix Jr stuff.

I ain’t going after receipts on this but I am pretty darned sure we read that Brown designed the offense. I don’t think it makes sense, but this is the Panthers we are talking about.

Okay don’t overlook that Capers is Evero’s mentor, more or less. So there is a connection there and Reich would trust Dom. And that is defense anyway, wasn’t a problem like what happened with the offense. I believe Brown was the problem offensively. Along with Young being far less ready and capable than advertised. You can say what you want about play calling, but it seems like it was Brown’s offense that he designed. And it seems like that was a real problem.

Yeah I do. I have watched him. Maybe 45 in the air with nobody in pads pressuring him, and allowing for his launch routine. But that is MAX effort. (I don’t mind being corrected if I am in error, but I believe that is a fair assessment. If I really wanted to debate it, which this is about all I am gonna offer because I think you are a reasonable fan and we can disagree. Anyhow, for people to consider: I would for sure bet that he is using every bit of what he has to make those throws and cannot deliver the deep ball accurately with consistency. Not when you have to use 100% of your effort. Maybe that is why he only hit a couple of downfield throws. And with his accuracy issues, he very possibly just got lucky with where those balls came down. The vast majority of his 2023 deep throws, were off target (that is simply a fact, but I am waiting for the excusers to come in with the WRs stopped or ran a bad route, it is all their fault). An analogy to illustrate: In baseball, pitchers go 100%, the accuracy suffers. It is well acknowledged in the sport. Those that really do well back off the effort to throw as hard as they can to get velocity, and focus on accuracy. Placement. Of course, that is easier to do when you CAN throw the hell out it if you want to. Much easier. They dial their 97 mph throws down a bit and bingo, 93 with placement (and better movement which we don’t care about in football). Bottom line, I do not believe his Accurate range; without a runway and without that little hop and skip at the end of it and not using all 100% of what he has in him, 25-30 yards in the air. I haven’t measured, that is an educated guess. Plus or minus a little. I am gonna bet the farm that will hold true for deep balls. If you go all out effort, it negatively affects your placement. And that is more wny Young cannot hit open people at the boundaries of his range, but can hit them accurately 20 to 25 yards away. Do something for mew Navy, tell me if you see what I saw. Watch his pro day. Watch his footwork. Tell me you see or do not see that skip hop thing, that will eat 10 feet or so more real estate towards the LOS IIRC. It takes precious time as well. That is what put me off of him right away. More than the inadequate height and build.

I don’t care if you got Randy Moss in his prime, the QB has to get the ball to him. On deep routes... here are two ways that might happen as far as I can see and one involves a very slow developing rollout and about 5-6 yards of open ground to generate momentum for that 35-40 yard throw. Which will end up 25-30 yards past the LOS. That is about his maximum range. You are not getting much more. The other, launch to a predetermined spot from with the same 5-6 yards of space from behind those guards. What they need to do is get guys who can best operate within 20 yards of the LOS. Any reasonably fast fool can run a fly route that probably won’t be completed, to loosen up the D. edit: It is simple as hell: if you don’t want to be restricted to this sort of attack, you don’t draft this quarterback.

He is too old to give thje HC job to, for my money. That, and he is so much of a control freak from what people say. But he is a brilliant football guy. I would think giving him total control of the football operations could be a good thing, but just about every guy from his tree, which is who he would likely turn to for a HC, is a big failure. So that would be big one in the negative column.

I didn’t read it, but on the general idea that it is some sort of travesty, I don’t know if I care. If I were an owner I’d feel justified requesting they run a play for me. I think most plays rely more on execution than anything. IOW any play can be good or bad. Just stay the hell out of talent evaluations and roster construction.

I am most concerned about the exchanges when you have a guy who has not done it full time. Shouldn’t I be? Bad snaps errant hikes, all that stuff, not a concern? I understand that whoever takes the job is in the best position a new guy could have in terms of having those guards on each side. Except one of those guards has to cover/support the questionable LT in pass sets.

If they have spent time in mainstream media, it is no sweat.

Runcmc I don’t know Bryce Young to say whether I like him or don’t like him, but have no problem saying I never wanted my favorite to take hIm. No way I could even give him a first round grade. Too short too slight and there is no redeeming physical gift to make up for that. I didn’t want Murray at all either, but he at least has an arm and great footspeed and quickness. Bryce Young apparently has a processor. Woot.

I haven’t forgotten Bruce Nelson. Hip issues.

We brought the HC in because he is excellent with QBs. Please no more knee jerk coaching scapegoats unless the OL can’t handle a stunt. I mean, you know, they also saw on tape all the reasons he was selected where he was or whatever that bullshit was. Every decent play he made last year fits on a floppy disk. About two minutes worth. What are they supposed to say? They have to do that. I thought it was pretty faint praise on an enthusiasm level, but that could be my lack of it clouding things..

I also saw it suggested somewhere that they were gonna have to do that sort of Plan B with a 2nd tier candidate. He seems like good raw material. I have a couple of concerns as to whether he projects a strong enough image to lead a bunch of football men, but Bill Walsh was kind of the same and did okay. I am skeptical as to how much hands on he will have time for/with the QB.

Yeah it needs to be better than that. Top 50 this year plus something really good next year might work for me but it does depend on the players we think might be there. At 33 and 39, and at 39 and whatever else.

BTW It would be Panthers for a C to fall and they don’t take him.

I would probably prefer a 1st round contract with the 5th year option, with a QB pick. Bottom of the 1st.

MIngo had a 4.46 40 and this guy has a 4.39. A 10th of a sec, if not noticeable just running, will manifest in plays made because that little bit of margin matters.