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that’s interesting to hear. Last year people were saying, or maybe 2023, that they hated the anti Bryce negativity and had moved to Discord. Related to the thing where there was a positive things only thread stickied here. Sorry for the misdirection.

Okay cool. I remember hearing him talk about doing multiple things from the same personnel packages, last season. Which was supposed to be an advantage. I haven’t watched a game this year. Radio, highlights analysis on YouTube. I am limited right now. My rudimentary knowledge of offense is like, the 11, 12 personnel and that stuff. And the field of play and where the ball goes. Like, short short short mostly.. So maybe I don’t have the chops for and advanced discussion of multiple formations, etc. And it may have been whet I remember is that he could run the same plays from multiple formations? I did a different profession and we knew how to make it work with what we had but sometimes you just don’t have enough to do the things you like to do.

I am horrible with fancy numbers. What do people think Tepper makes daily off his 20 billion or whatever he’s worth? Coach’s salary is a drop in the bucket probably. Maybe it’s 2 drops. Anyhow I think the only hope is total failure once again, and maybe he will learn. He will figure it out sooner or later, I’d like to still be alive for that. But I have serious doubts I will be.

I am sure you are right about that but at the same time you don’t think maybe it’s like trying to play a 6 string guitar with the b and d stings missing? It is not easy.

I guess over all the Bryce negativity. I bet it’s negative just the approved kind. They are free to blame everyone but him. Same as they did here only no pushback. It’s funny.

The NFL has a QB problem because of college ball. They aren’t producing pro style prospects. Same for OL especially try to find a LOT. OT used to be pretty reliable in the draft but now you have as many busts as you have at QB it feels like.

I am undecided on Canales. My thoughts were okay he is a qb guy and the deal is, (Tepper perspective) if I hire this QB guy to fix Bryce and he can’t then I will accept that he he can’t be fixed. And I will have a QB guy in place to get a real one. I was good with that. I have a hard time stopping after chapter one. I need to see chapter two if possible Further, the saying ‘fraud vitiates everything’ applies to this. Bryce is a basically a fraud. That is how my brain works: strange or not I see this as only the first part of the test and I knew Bryce could not be fixed. He isn’t broken in the first place. He is exactly what they drafted. He didn’t get ruined this is who he has always been and you cannot ‘fix’ him to be Drew Brees like everybody claimed he was. Said it before, it’s like handing a chef dog food and expecting a great steak. And then blame the chef. I just want it to play out. Hell I was a Wilks Darnold keep the 9th pick guy anyway. I am not married to Dave I just want to see us stay the course and judge at the end of the test. If he fails then, he fails do what you want. I can’t get upset at people disagreeing the way I get upset over the ridiculous Bryce love and stanning and their name calling over it. I am out of explanation that’s about it. I may just link this for future arguments PS Bryce, he is below replacement level you can get what he gives us really cheap.

Damn two people think we can win a game. Look out world. As I type that I realize what that does to the chances of 1st pick again. And understand because we are the black cat Panthers, we are destined to win it.

Well you don’t , uhh we don’t know the ins and outs of that trade up and why he was the guy they chose. Canales may not have been driving that. But how do we overlook the QB as far as standing out for sucking?

I think Ron is done. He is a grandfather figure now. Consultant for Luke. Better version of Dom/Evero.

At least he will be making it easy for us if he dogs it this way. I know we aren’t a social thing it is production, but I wonder if there is something in his personal or family life that is twisting him up.

I mean, it is yet another year on top of a big stack of years, if it fails. But I think that is reasonable. That’s three years and fair enough.

I want XL to be right because he is sort of a homie, local and state and on the pro home team. He has good things going for him but this year he is way off on the wrong foot. That getting ejected from the preseason game on what was it, the first play? WTF. Loafing, not having your head in the game situationally, WTF man. A d I am not even talking about his drops last year which I could dismiss if he came in right. Better step it up or he will be last option to catch a ball from any new and better QB that might come along.

I don’t think Sam was that bad here in 2022. I would have kept him and kept looking for a good undervalued guy to groom. Anyhow about the owner. Was it the 49ers that the owners did a lot of the same type of crap we see from a Tepper, and then finally figured it out? if not them, I am thinking of someone but can’t pull it up from the old hard drive. If this whole Bryce fiasco doesn’t do it for Tepper I don’t know what will.

There is always at least one. I am probably crazy but I don’t think we are gonna lose this game. Nothing to do with analysis, I just kind of feel it. I could make an analysis case too probably, with Tyreek Hill being out and Tua not being much better than Bryce.

In my attempts to get people to look at this possibility, included pitchers because they are the prime example for that. They work at a few percentage points under their max effort because the accuracy is so much improved. So if you have a natural gun and can still get above MLB average velocity when you take some off, that’s the guy you want.

That’s me too. There are exceptions. Dan Campbell is tough his teams are tough. He was a big old TE and was tough. But the norm seems to be finesse teams come from offensive guys. That has always been my impression.

That could be. No one paid attention but I posted a video last year of two NFL QBs I forget which two, but they ran a test with velocity reader thing. What it was was first throw at a target with your normal comfortable motion. 20 yards maybe which gets you what, 12-15 yards downfield? Anyhow they were hitting the net or whatever they were throwing to. Next you throw your ‘fastball’ (high effort). They were missing high a lot. Predominantly high, but the accuracy suffered. So if you are a guy that has to try harder to get the same velocity, that you might need, that is something that you are likely going to see, less accuracy and missing high.

yeah 100%. We are losing kids from football too, to non American games like ahem,soccer. Nobody gave a damn about soccer when I was a kid. Long time ago. So it’s good they are doing that for that reason too

It was the genesis of all the deep ball arguments. Really just go deep and stretch them. Take the shot. They can’t just stand there and watch you run by them because, the blind squirrel saying is true. I will just say, the speed thing, Dalton did it with the same players as Bryce and it opened things up. Speed, no speed, I don’t see any of our guys as slow.

ha ha man you got me there lol. You know where I stand on that arm. Not sure I said it would be successful but it is all he has left to try. I expect to see it. He has to put that height on the throw or it does only go 7 yards… (okay that didn’t come out right) Wilson made me think I was watching a tip-off of a BB game. Guys standing around waiting for the ball to come down and see who gets it first.

Maybe had you put it that way instead of dismissing the guy as a ‘radio’ I wouldn’t have pushed back. I get that. At the same time, he knows the team, he is brilliant at film diagnosis, highly disciplined and would have the instant respect of any and all players in that locker room. Coaches too probably. It is hard to overstate how good he was and that includes the mental side. I wouldn’t bet against him. Give him a couple of seasons to get the job down. I shouldn’t say every, but I bet it is every… OC or DC that got a HC gig has said they weren’t ready for everything that goes with being a HC. Totally different than the job they had been doing, because now they have to deal with everything and they didn’t even know what that was when they started. edit: I guess a point I am trying to make with him is, you can work your way up through jobs but when you get promoted the job is not just a higher level of the job you were doing, it is a different job requiring new skills. The failed HC ranks are full of great coordinators for that very reason. I resist the dogma of you can’t be good at that unless you were good at LB coach or DC. To me, Wilks wasn’t a real good DC but he somehow understood that HC job intuitively.

Yet it gets done. Well, two great phases is not realistic. Good and good would suit me. Very good and a good… It comes down to heart and stuff like that when the big opportunities come up. Who wants it, who can play the cleanest game, etc. Saying this without relating it to our current situation, just in a bubble: Coaching and GM’ing are key to it. I think system continuity helps a TON too. Pittsburgh has always had that part of it, the continuity. They are an easy example and are a bit down now but even so let’s see how they end up… it won’t be Tepper Panthers bad, you can put money on that. Commanders seem to be doing well with a defensive HC and a young good QB.

I missed where I said that we had to have all pros. Not sure we are on the same page. I’ll take the L on that.