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I'm not saying it was Tepper's pick. I'm only stating the obvious that a multi-billion dollar organization absolutely puts a PR spin on these things.

That's the problem. Bryce is playing more like Mr. Irrelevant than #1 overall.

Wasn't an issue for him as a rookie playing LB.

At the end of the day we really have no idea how the decision making process went, we just know the PR spin of it. A team always portrays their draft picks as consensus picks. Especially picks with this type of investment.

Tepper doesn't seem like a guy with enough humility for this to be the case. If he forced the Bryce pick I think he's most likely to blame everyone else for why this kid that he himself identified isn't lighting the league up like he should be.

Then you have the opposite story with Pete Carroll. Russ without Pete Carroll has been straight trash while Geno Smith has looked like a legit NFL QB with Carroll while being a journeyman bouncing around the league previously.

Favre's 1st year in GB was 1992. The Panthers were founded in 1993. That's why I've always said that for as consistently competitive as the Packers have been, to only get two rings out of 30 years of elite HOF QB play is honestly pretty damn disappointing. Hell, the Panthers have nearly matched that and we've been a complete poo show for much of that time.

He's played well and been what we hoped he would be. Unfortunately at 33 he's not part of the future. Gross-Matos has been the unexpected pleasant surprise for me so far this year.

I think they're both great prospects but Caleb's flaw is fatal in the NFL if it can't be addressed.

The Packers were past due for a dud after 30 years of Favre and Rodgers. That's crazy to think about. Up until this year the Packers have had a HOF QB for all of the Panthers' existence.

Straight from his mouth. He's said it. Now with that said, everyone in and around the program assumes he's gone.

I really don't think this narrative is accurate. The guy hold the ball forever and the NFL is more and more becoming a league about getting the ball out as fast as possible. If Caleb can't speed up his processing I don't think he's going to translate.

If Bryce isn't the answer it's all getting burned down.

Realistically speaking, the Panthers are gonna give him at least two seasons. Let's just hope by the end of next season we know for sure. He's either killing it or Clausen'ing us back to #1.

I haven't watched an NBA game in over a decade.

I turned it off at halftime. Just wasn't worth watching

I think a big factor is defenses are adapting. NFL offenses have been becoming more and more college like with spread formations, lots more passing, an emphasis on getting the ball out quick, etc. and defenses are starting to adapt and catch up. It feels like these days you have a handful of elite offenses, another handful of good offenses, and then a whole lot of bad offenses. I don't know what the next rule changes will be to get more consistent scoring but it'll probably be something to help out the pass blockers because these OL are just getting whooped by defenses. They can't block these guys.

The NFL honestly does feature a lot of bad football these days. Just being honest. By and large the college game is generally a better product and I'm not just saying that because my college team is a lot better than my pro team. Casually watching games that I have no rooting interest in, the college games just generally tend to be better.

What are you talking about? There literally wasn't a poster on this forum more against that Sam Darnold trade than me. They're just of a similar mold. They both have high level physical talent but they're not QBs. Lance is a bust. Sorry, man. I get it, we all like prospects in drafts that end up busting. It is what it is. It happens to coaches and scouts and GMs too. Don't feel bad about it. But don't be in delusional denial either.

I think rookie Stroud is quite a bit better than current Dalton and Dalton looked quite a bit better than Bryce, so...

If we had Stroud and he was rewriting rookie record books no one would be saying this. There's never a bad time to land a franchise QB.

Speed is speed but some routes allow for a higher max speed than others.

He needs to be playing LB. It's so obvious at this point and I'm someone who defended him playing (strong) safety for a long time. He's a LB. Pure and simple. If we insist on not playing him at LB then yeah we need to just trade him already.

Types of routes matter a lot. You're not gonna run a drag as fast as a g you're not going to run a slant as fast as a post. When everyone is fast and they're all playing slow it's probably not because of each individual player. That's all I'm saying.

He's not playing well. It's really obvious. That doesn't mean he's definitely a bust. But the handful of kf folks who can't take any Bryce criticism are just not being rational in my honest opinion.