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You seem to know quite a bit about some pretty suspect stuff.

Burns. Brown and Chinn are the ones I'm unsure about. Ideally, I honestly think Brown is best as a 4-3 DT and Chinn is a cover 3 strong safety. But we'll see how it turns out.

It triggers folks, but this is a big part of why I think Chinn could very well be traded. Bell is a very similar player and like Fitts said, you can't pay everyone. If we can move Chinn to recoup some of those trade assets we had to give up to get to #1 or get help at a more pressing spot I think we'll do it. I don't necessarily like that, but it's the type of thing you sometimes have to do in a hard salary cap league. Burns, Brown, and Horn just play more valuable positions. Part of roster management is assessing your roster for redundancies and using those redundancies in trades to gather assets to address weaknesses. Chinn is going to be a really good player for a long time in the league, I'm just not sure if it's gonna be here.

I honestly think Young is better than Teddy at everything on a football field.

After seeing Russ in Denver and Geno in Seattle, Pete Carroll is quite obviously a QB whisperer. Maybe not on Andy Reid's level, but definitely damn good. Which is wild for a career defensive coach.

It's true. Him being high on AR and low on Young makes me question my sanity. I wouldn't even say I'm "high" on AR. I'm high on his athletic potential. His mental makeup is a complete unknown to me. My only concern with Young is his size. I think his arm is NFL average at best but I think he's good enough mentally that he can figure it out. I just don't know if he can figure out how to take a walloping from 280+ pound NFL freak athlete DL.

Yeah, his evaluation IMO comes completely down to what you think he has between the ears and how coachable he is because if he can adapt to the NFL from a playbook and reading a defense perspective and work on some technical flaws to become more consistent as a passer then he's gonna be the best NFL QB out of this class.

I hope he blows up in this new D and gets paid big time. That means he's become elite.

It was just the first game I'd watched of his.

This is a devastating blow to the Young contingent if you're at all familiar with David Newton's track record. If there's a worse team beat reporter out there I'm unaware of him or her.

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This. They landed two of the most slam dunk #1 overall picks of my lifetime. People say tanking doesn't exist but that team 100% tanked for Andrew Luck.

What have you done?

It's not that simple. The game that made me a Richardson believer was his game against FSU. He went 9/27 in that game. So why did it make me a believer? Because I don't think I've ever seen a QB throw so many catchable balls to receivers who couldn't catch a damn thing. Richardson's state sheet lies if you watch the games. Yeah, he needs to get more consistent. But he's not nearly as bad of a thrower of the football as you'd expect just looking at the stats.

Where's the data on QBs who are Bryce Young's size? It's not that he's undersized in that he's just smaller than ideal. It's that he's historically small for the position.

David Tepper is. He desperately wants a megastar QB.

Supposedly he was the target when we were targeting the #3 overall pick in a trade up. If you're sold enough on him to trade up to #3 for him you should probably be sold on him enough to take him at #1.

I think it would be exciting as hell. It would mean that our very experienced staff thinks he had what it takes between the ears to maximize his immense talents in the NFL and that they can get him there.

Bama runs shotgun almost exclusively and has for awhile. They went from an old school ground and pound I-formation offense to a total spread attack overnight.

But no one is arguing Stroud's size is of zero concern. If Young wasn't in this draft and Stroud was there at his size beside Richardson and Levis then there would be more talk of Stroud's size. But Young is in this draft and his size is of much more concern than Stroud's. Stroud is on the smaller size of "check the box size" for an NFL QB. But Young is waaaaaaay below it. It'd be like having a 290 pound DT prospect and the fans of the 250 pound DT prospect point to him and say "Hey, he's not ideal size either!" Yeah, he's not but he's just smaller than ideal while your guy is "he'll be the smallest guy to ever succeed at this position in the modern NFL" size.

I honestly think at this point we probably pretty much know if not outright know who our pick is going to be. Our front office and staff is just enjoying their time in the spotlight and toying with everyone. And the NFL absolutely wants this. The more intrigued there is going into draft day the better for their ratings and the media hype.

I'll say again. We aren't choosing between Young and Tua. We're choosing between Young and Stroud. Tua is just a recent NFL comp for how an undersized QB has been repeatedly ragdolled and injured. Young is a lot smaller than Stroud and has less frame to build on thus were a lot more concerned about Young in this regard than Stroud. It's really that simple. You're acting like people are treating Stroud like he's Wolverine or something and that's just not the case. You've said yourself that Young is smaller and thus there is more injury concern there so what are you really even arguing about? You're all in on Young. Cool. But don't get triggered by folks talking about concerns about his size. The concerns are very real

No one here is acting like CJ Stroud is immune from any and all injury. We're just saying that it's a lot bigger concern for Young both because of his current size and likely future size projections. This attempted rationale to act like 6'3" 215ish and 5'10" ??? (probably 190ish at best) is the same thing is just baffling.

It's what concerns me. Bryce Young is basically the same size I was at that age. I just can't wrap my head around it when I see QBs getting smoked by 280+ pound dudes who can run like a deer.

There no double standard. There's more concern about Young because he's a lot smaller than Stroud. This really isn't that difficult. This is like claiming there's a double standard by claiming a WR who ran a 4.6 40 has deep speed concerns in the NFL but no one is saying that about the 4.4 WR. Well, yeah.