MHS831

Yes. vs the Rams at St Louis where they had won 14 straight. We were big underdogs--had to play all games on the road that year to get to SB 38... Unreal

What evidence was there of Taysom Hill doing this before leaving BYU? He was at Green Bay--cut. So he found a way to stay in the league by using substandard QB skills for the NFL and his speed to create a "position" with the Saints. And you are saying Stevens can't do that. As a QB, he would not be in the league right now. He is in the league because he is an athlete who plays QB. In this role, you do not need a 70% passer--you need a multiple threat.

What is being described is not a position--it is a wrinkle. A different look. Something to make the defenses prepare for all week. A chance to create mismatches. What does Grier do?

I am really not trying to mock anyone, just bring good points to the table. I try to have an open mind and love it when someone changes it--but you gotta have a case. "Derp?" Do better.

My support is the athleticism, his skill set, and the scheme I have seen before. I am saying that he is a #3 QB that can provide a unique wrinkle to the offense. Taysom Hill is my evidence. They did not pay him $12m to be a derp. I have provided matchup scenarios, provided his size/speed/skill set, and I have shown the relationship he has with Brady. Tommy is fast straight line--yes. He is. We are not talking about a starter here--we are talking about re-imagining the #3 QB position. That is the part you are missing--well, one of them. You have shown, "Derp Taysom Hill Derp." You almost pinned me there.

No, you are not making arguments. You are stating opinions. Arguments require concrete support. Opinions noted.

Aren't these unsupported opinions of yours that you are making to support an assumption? This game is about match ups--putting your strengths against their weaknesses. So if you have CMC, Marshall, Moore, Anderson, Arnold and Smith in pass formations and bring in Stevens, a 6-5, 235 4.49 QB--how are you matching up with that? 5 skill players that can catch and run sub 4.5 40s. A QB who can run a 4.5 or throw it 65 yards. The defense would have to have 4 DL and 1 LB to stop it. So is your LB, if he is not blocked, good enough to stop Stevens? Are your DBs? That is the move. Stupid, right?

Are you making the argument that we will pay Stevens $12m? It means that he has that much value to the Saints--not the Panthers. Stevens will make under $1m. So what is your point?

Yes, and they felt they could convert him to a TE--maybe replace Hill and his contract, but that did not happen and they could not keep him. We want him to be a player like Hill--not a pure TE, and both are listed as #3 QBs. Obviously Brady loved his athleticism and Hill has value if used correctly--they just did not need 2 Hills in the big easy. We had no Hills, now we have a Hill. At the very least he helps us prepare for New Orleans twice a year, but I sense he will have an expanding role like Hill does. (Hill makes about $12m this year---who cares about the #3 QB?)

Would you say the same for Hill? I would. Is he a special teamer? And even if you are right--is Will Grier a better QB than Stevens? Does Will Grier play special teams? This has gone full circle now---

You are the only person saying that. The Saints had a player who can do what Stevens can do, so they tried him as a pure TE and drafted him because they knew we were going to sign him--gave up a sixth rounder. We like athletes, and we are going to use him like the saints use Hill---The Saints already had a Hill, so it would be stupid to keep him and have 2 Hills--so their plans for him were different that ours will be simply because we will use him like Hill--this is not hard.

If you don't want to talk about the #3 QB, WHY DID YOU CLICK ON THE THREAD THAT CLEARLY DESCRIBES THE TOPIC AS THE #3 QB?

Gingervitas. LOL. Maybe we should add freckles to the bear so we don't offend anyone.

Thanks bro. I like to hear opposite opinions because we all get trapped by our own perspectives--love the arguments--they really make you smarter if your mind is open. And we all know who the turds are and we try not to step in one. I sometimes throw stuff out that I sorta doubt myself just to get a reaction--to convince me. The bottom of the roster is important, and some of these folks do not get that the players we keep there are indicators of what we are going to do. So I love the bubble drama this time of year. Some people argue well, and I still do not agree with them, but I admire their justification of their perspective. We all cherry pick data to support our positions--the people I despise are those who simply make a statement like "he's trash" without any reasons provided. I do not give a poo about someone's opinion, unless they can support it. If they cant, I assume they are limited or their middle school teacher told them computer time is over.

So you are saying that if you were a Saints fan, you would not care who Taysom Hill is? Am I understanding you correctly? And name a 6-5, 235 lb 4.49 guy we have that can throw passes 65 yards. If we have those guys on the roster, I will apologize.

x clown That pass Jake threw to Proehl (I think) to come from behind vs the Jags when he came in for Peete. Kris Jenkins blocked what would be the winning extra point at the end of the game vs Tampa Bay one year and sent the game to overtime--we won it. Deshaun Foster's 1-yard run vs Philly in the NFC championship game Moose's long TD reception in super bowl 38. Sam Mills interception that led to the first team victory vs the Jets (I think).

If we lose 8 games this season, yes.

Which is why we may as well have a dual threat QB who can serve in other ways. At least we are getting something out the roster spot that we are reserving to lose games should our QB1 go down.

Umm, I think Brady was with Penn State when Stevens was there before transferring to Miss St--then Brady was with New Orleans when Stevens was there. This is getting deep. Do we have a pattern here?

Just try to throw some topics out there to get us through May and June. Proved to be too much for Trainwreck to handle, bless his heart.

There were times when Smitty was not ranked high, but he was the only real option most of the time except for TE--DJ and Anderson and Samuel...

It is murky at best. I think we need a real #2, and if Stevens were to win that job, forget the whole idea. I mean, I hate to compare him to Taysom Hill, but he started and won a game or two--and they are very similar players in terms of skill set. Hill ran a 4.44 to Stevens 4.49, but Hill is 6-2, 225, Stevens 6-5 235. The big question: Is Stevens good enough to be the third QB? Then ask, can he be the #3 QB and play gunner, TE, wildcat, etc.? If so, our offense and special teams could be better--- or we could keep Will Grier in case we lose 2 QBs....

He may not--I was just wondering about the Sullivan signing-it allows them to keep a TE on the PS that could be elevated at any time. And you are right about playing multiple positions/serving multiple roles--every new spot brings a new playbook with it, to a degree. I just see the TE position being quietly made effective in the offseason using second hand parts, so to speak. I think it could be the single biggest position upgrade on the offense--based on the vanilla, non-threatening mess we saw last year.

I heard that before and argued against it (with a guy who used to play in the NFL--just not OL) and he proved me wrong. I remember being surprised. He added that by the end of the season, they are playing hurt in a lot of cases. Why 17 games is so critically important. swapping a preseason game (which is like a glorified practice) for a game is bad. He thinks they should play no more than 15 games.