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I would say, based on our history--CB has also been pretty good in round 2 Jackson and Bradbury--but I get your point. I like Restrepo as well. Bech, but I have not watched him that much--maybe that is the play. Not really saying smokescreen, but found it odd that they have not focused on WR in free agency and there is no evidence of top WRs in the draft are scheduled--I am guessing pro days will be active, and I am also guessing that we really don't have accurate data about contact/meetings. Pretty much hearsay. Thanks for the feedback. Interesting.

Lotta love for Warren here. I am not high on a TE at 8--heck, last year Bowers did not go until around 12 or 13. Plug and Play is a good point, and we could run some double tight with (in my opinion) two very effective TEs. If it were down to those two, I think I would go with Johnson and have the best CB tandem--especially if we do not get a plug and play edge. There are many ways to go....

The point was we are going to draft a WR in round 1 based on the lack of attention at the position so far---Golden is rising and he could be a player we move back to get or reach for--Most likely not, but what is your position, considering the roster right now--and considering our track record with second-round WRs--that the Panthers draft a WR in round 1? Any you should provide reasons--I would love to hear them--this is a stunt to pick brains, actually.

Sometimes by this time of the process, we devalue the names that were top of the boards and go for the flavor of the week. I get that. I was just stirring the pot because Golden made some money at the Combine and I can only imagine how Morgan and Canales might react. Here is a question for you that requires some stereotyping: Do you think Burden has the better chance to be a #1 WR than Golden?

So does that mean Stewart or Walker or Will Johnson? Personally, I do not trust Evero's ability to use Walker like (I think) he needs to be used. Stewart? I see Morgan liking him, but his stats scare me. Johnson would give us a great CB room, but you could argue that we are set at CB. The S from SC is the longshot pick--aside from Golden--I could see them trading back and getting either.

I think you are right--especially if we pick up a stud TE--and I am not saying that Sanders is not poised to be that TE....We had a very limited WR corps last season, and during the nine game turnaround, they did well enough to win--it was the defense that blew it. (I try to create threads to get people talking and I am surely not locking in my meaningless, singular prediction of what they will do--however, I did find it interesting that the WR position has not been addressed. I really like Bech--and was saying so before the SR Bowl--but we could win without a first rounder, imo. I do think, if we go WR, Golden will be the guy.

You know, we'd all scream and throw things at the TV, but the dude is a beast. That would be the hurney move. Snow likes a longsnapper from Colorado Eastern State Northwest Central. Just trying to get him to admit it

Stepping back from all the tea leaves, I see Walker as the pick--and this avoidance of Wide Receivers might simply be based on this weird situation in free agency and nothing more. Maybe they gave AT a raise because they think his value will increase--If they like Bech, for example, they could get a walker and then in round 2 get Mason Taylor and in round three get Bech. Would that not help the offense as much as a reach at WR? I dunno--I just like stirring the pot to see what others are thinking. Collectively, we are usually more informed than the reporters.

But post free agency, I reset the meter. Just like to read the room, see what I think might be going down, and then I develop a theory--it gives me something to do on the toilet.

I am asking you now--so you are saying Stewart, perhaps fearing Stewart. Did I read that correctly?

No!!!! Golden was my idea. I Invented it. The more I look at him, the more I say, "Why is he not rated higher than the other two? Stats? To me, he seems exactly right for our system. You probably planted the seed in my brain--and I only aspire to reach whore status. It seems that is not entirely up to me.

So jon Snow, if that is your real name--what do you think Morgan is going to do? You can provide one name....You are on the clock....

It may be another WR and we move back--and there is a chance Walker or Stewart could be the pick--from what I hear-but if we leave round 1 without a WR, Morgan will be tarred, feathered, and put in a hyperbolic chamber. I just think what THEY may do--not what I would do---and I see Golden rising and I see the Panthers loving it.

I really question what the GM in Seattle is doing. He's worse than Jerry Jones.

UPDATE: (Been outside today) Cooper Kupp to Seattle....Myles to Dallas--Jerry Jones basically swapped a 1000-yard rusher at age 26 for Myles Sanders. Wow.

I think, personally, that these rankings are off and I have heard that he has been climbing boards--never ruled out trading back. Thanks for this list--this is interesting, but I (personally) think they are wrong. I think someone comes out with a ranking and most of the others use that as the gold standard. Golden was a guess on my part, but WR is the point I am making--I think we go WR in round 1, and I think Golden (as a shocker) might be the pick over others with higher rankings. If I am wrong, I will forget about this thread and move on--but if I am right, you will all have to block me....

I never specified that we would draft him at 8. I said "first round." The whole point of this was that we don't have a top 30 with any top WR right now and we have 2 needs and we did not address WR (so far) in free agency. They have pro days.

Interesting. Here is what I saw and never questioned: However, NFL Network calls him a free safety, and he has spent 3 years as the deep safety. That makes me feel better about the signing.

I think we could trade back but his stock has been rising. It could be TE--they did talk to Mason Taylor--and I like him as well.

Golden is small and fast. Morgan's NFL career was spent watching a teammate (3rd rounder) rip defenses apart for a decade--and he was small and fast. You never know how a type can influence your opinion of excellence. Again, Golden is probably a value around #15-20, but his value in late April could be around #10. The real point here is how they seem--looking at the visits and free agency--to be ignoring a position that is a priority need. Golden was my guess because I do not see any other WR in round 1 that might meet their specs. Gonna be fun.

We could trade back, which would explain the secrecy. If you trade back and a team knows for whom, they can leapfrog you

I did not mention a trade down, but that is what I would do. If that is the plan, Morgan would not tip his hand-

I think Golden's stock is improving and Dan had a smallish outside WR when he played -- maybe that is in his head. Of course, this is all a talking point, who knows what they are doing, but it seems as if they have IGNORED WR so far--and that is strange. Of course, we are not in the know. Just a bunch of seagulls fighting for scraps.

First of all, this link of meetings and visits is pretty awesome--hope it is maintained: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_BTyWxt0xO8V4iye0omWMD879YJdnJdO0i6j8mT6htc/edit?gid=0#gid=0 The tea leaves, without further ado: In free agency, we addressed the following positions (it does not mean we are finished, but I will offer my take which is valued wisdom on this board--you are welcome. My theory is not based on what the Panthers did in free agency, it is based on what they did NOT do. After reviewing how we addressed positions of need, I will, through the process of elimination, take you toward a mind blowing conclusion that will alter the way you look at the Panthers, their front office, their coaches, and women in tights who apparently are proud of things that others do not find appealing. WE ADDRESSED-- The Defensive Line Signed: DE Tershawn Wharton (three years, over $54 million) Signed: DT Bobby Brown III (three years, $21 million) Tendered offer to exclusive rights free agent defensive lineman LaBryan Ray (I was not a fan of this move) The Panthers were very aggressive out of the gates going after Milton Williams and then pivoting to plan B that landed them a pass rushing DE (probably to rotate with Robinson and Brown) and an undervalued NT in Bobby Brown. Tea Leaves: The Panthers saw DL as their biggest need and they probably wanted veterans in that role. Graham is perhaps the only DL they'd take at 8, and he is likely to be gone. I am not a fan of Ray, but we shall see. The Offensive Line Re-signed: C Austin Corbett (one year) Tendered offer: restricted free agent center Cade Mays Re-signed: OL Brady Christensen (one year, $2.8 million) Securing Corbett was a financial decision that gives us either an adequate starter or depth. I am high on Cade Mays, and with BC on the roster, we are three deep at C and he gives us depth as a swing T as well. Will we draft Moton's successor? I am guessing not on day 1. Defensive Backs Extended: CB Jaycee Horn (four years, $100 million) Re-signed: CB Michael Jackson (two years, $14.5 million) Signed: S Tre'von Moehrig (three years, $51 million) Locking down Jackson for the next two seasons was a huge signing at a good value. Horn? He better stay healthy. Moehrig is a physical, run stuffing S that should influence who we start at Free Safety, based on the style of play he brings to the defense. All of these DBs are good tacklers, a common theme. One could argue that we have our starters in Moehrig and Richardson, who played well as an UDFA last season, but a Free Safety could be on the menu. Linebackers Signed: EDGE Patrick Jones II (two years, up to $20 million) Signed: ILB Christian Rozeboom (one year, $2.5 million) Edge is still a need, but with Clowney, Wonnum, and Jones as locks on the roster, I imagine that edge will be a priority in the draft. However, I am not sure they will look first round, when it is more likely that the Panthers target a second round edge, perhaps using a fourth and fifth rounder to move up. I think Rozeboom was a bigger signing than most realize now. They have met with quite a few day 1 or 2 edge players, but I think they will, with Clowney on the roster, a more developmental edge with upside. Princely Umanmielen, Donovan Ezeiruaku, or Josaiah Stewart should be there in the second round. They have met with Jalon Walker (not shown on the link I shared--combine) and Shemer Stewart, so the first round is not out. Other depth offensive players: Running Back, Tight End, Quarterback Signed: RB Rico Dowdle (one year, $3 million) Re-signed: TE Tommy Tremble (two years, up to $16 million) Re-signed: QB Andy Dalton (two years, $8 million) Dowdle was a steal for that price, and it indicates a commitment to the run, as does the signing of blocking TE Tommy Tremble. Dalton is paid to be Bryce's BFF; good work if you can get it. Aside from UDFA candidates, the Panthers have only met with 1 TE, Mason Taylor, at the combine. As of this writing with the info I have, there is no interest in first round TEs--Mason had a great Combine. Special Teams: Punter and Gunner Signed: P Sam Martin (one year, up to $3 million) Re-Signed: WR Dan Chisena (one year) Here, I put Chisena in as a gunner because he would fill that role primarily and serve as an emergency WR. And that brings me to my point. Wide Receivers: Group Photo I find it quite odd that Wide Receiver was not seriously addressed in free agency. I find it VERY INTERESTING that they gave Adam Thielen a raise (probably to keep him from retiring). Why might they do that? They knew they were going to ignore WRs in free agency and they were going to focus on a player in the draft. AT might have reacted when he saw the lack of attention in the free agency--I dunno--but if he retired, it would leave them with Coker and XL and no free agents, save a special team WR who has not been an offensive player. GOING INTO FREE AGENCY, WIDE RECEIVER WAS A HUGE NEED--we needed a true #1. Most do not think there is one in the draft, and it seems the Panthers did not think they could pay a free agent who wanted to play #1 here--especially when they weren't #1 WRs elsewhere. Now take a look at the WRs on the Panther's meeting/visit list. Bech at the Sr Bowl. A third round slot WR. The rest are UDFA candidates. Are we hoping to find a Coker again? Is that the plan? THE THEORY: Of course, this can change with the next Newsbreak on NFL Network, but it is my gut feeling that there is a WR in this draft that the Panthers see as a true #1 WR that meets the deep threat criteria. In my view, it is not TMac. The evidence: The Panthers are obviously hiding their interest in wide receivers, based on the information we have. Why would a team have 2 needs at such a tremendously important position for your young QB and not meet with any legitimate top WR? In fact, they have not re-signed Thompkins or Moore. And all we know is the Panthers have contacted perspective UDFAs and a third round prospect from the SR Bowl? The silence is deafening. The Panthers are going to draft a WR in round 1. That WR, based on what the Panthers say they need, is Matthew Golden, a 5'11" burner (4.29 40) from Texas that will back the safeties off the LOS and give the defense fits and concerns. He aced the 2025 NFL pre-draft process. The Longhorns standout was downright electric at the NFL Combine. Golden ran a position-best 4.29-second 40-yard dash, the second-fastest overall result of any prospect in attendance. He also ran the fastest 10-yard split (1.49) among wideouts.