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I already said things like speed and athleticism you either have it or don't. Like Tet's size and wingspeed. But a big knock on Tet was that he didn't play as physically as you would expect given his size and strength. In fact he struggled against press coverage and couldn't get separation off the line or off the top of his break which is why he has so many contested catches to begin with. He was not great taking balls away like a Mike Evans was and would struggle against physical corners in the NFL. But he has what you can't coach. That is why we drafted him. What he lacks can be taught. Legette has good size and speed. He actually could get separation but couldn't catch the ball using poor technique. Once again those skills can be taught. Both Legette and Tet have great physical skills and will complement each other. They are clearly different but I don't share your belief that their deficits can't be coached or remediated. One question with both of them will be their willingness to be physical in the run game and play with aggression.

Notice it is the same few people basically trying to find flaws to justify their dislike of Young. You are doing a good job but it won't matter what you say. They won't change their mind unless there is a tsunami of evidence that is irrefutable. The annoying thing is that when they are wrong you might get a 1 post acknowledgment months from now but have to suffer the constant negativity for months and hundred of posts in the interim.

What you described are techniques you learn not things like speed or athleticism which are much harder to develop if you are lacking. Like many rookies, they could dominate at the college level but find it more difficult when every pro opponent has good talent and likely more experience. How catches get distributed will depend of who Young trusts to catch the ball and who gets open. Young will feed the hot hand. If that isn't Legette he can blame himself.

By the end of the year he was top 10. I can explain it to you but can't understand it for you too. Again we look for progress you look to complain. No one said he was top 10 since he came back simply that by the end of the season against teams trying to make the playoffs, his numbers were top 10. If you don't believe check out all that was written. It isn't hard to find. Funny Bryce get the least amount of respect from his own fans

Did you say the thing about Cam all those years ot just focus on results.

Actually, what lines up with your ideas he is too short or small to be successful.? His passing completions or total yards? Bryce is going into his 13th game with a legitimate offense and good offensive coach. And during that time he went from the worst qb in the league to top 10 by the end of the year based on game production against a number of playoff teams. And he showed that he can lead comebacks and score under pressure at the end of the game and overtime. He stayed cool under pressure and was one of the best against the blitz by year end. That is the holy grail in quarterback traits and Bryce went from crumbling under pressure to stepping up and delivering strikes down the field. Maybe it is me but those kind of qualities far out weigh a few inches or a few pounds here and there. Everyone holds their breath when he get whacked by a 350lb linemen and exhales when he magically arises seemingly unfazed. And yeah when he is backpedalling and tosses one out there as if it is random only to float into Thielen's hand it seems just luck. Kind of like Russell Wilson years ago. But I think you are letting your past rob you of enjoying what I hope is happening which is the development of our franchise guy. And for the record I am all about bringing in competition at all positions including quarterback.

Actually I looked up whether they keep stats on how many jump passes quarterbacks make a year. I figured Mahomes would be near the top with all his acrobatics. But I couldn't find it. My point is and was that we see what we want and expect to see. You expect and look for validation that he is too short and small to be our franchise guy. And as the saying goes you always find what you are looking for because you ignore the contrary. I simply say compare him against his peers based on facts and stats not your observations and opinions. And if you don't think you have an agenda you would be the first person not to.

Actually I have always felt that using a qb to sneak was a huge mistake even for big guys. Do you remember when Cam sneaked the ball and got a helmet spear to the head and it wasn't even called. It is unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Everyone knows what you are going to do. Why not have a big guy or backup run the ball who is disposable? Yeah they know what is coming if you bring in a big guy. Like they don't if you keep the QB in...... Actually there are many more reasons not to sneak the ball with the qb versus using something else like New Orleans did who could still run or pass.

Again where is the evidence. You keep saying it but honestly you have shown no evidence. Unless you know what he was supposed to do and then what he did do, you don't know anything about his intentions and or forced changes due to height. His completion percentage for passes from 1 to 10 yards was only slightly lower than his best percentage which was 10 to 20 yards passing. Not enough of a difference to be significantly different. Truth is you have an agenda that you try to justify despite any evidence to the contrary. Many of us felt the same way but have allowed his actual play to inform our opinion. I still would have picked Stroud over Bryce but I am willing to keep an open mind and see what is there instead of filtering everything through my biases and already polarized opinions.

People make a lot of noise about his footwork and I think it is overblown. Whether he takes 3 steps backwards or 5 small steps doesn't matter as long as he ends up at the right depth and is in sync with the receiver regarding timing. If he does that consistently who cares as long as he has a firm stable base as he delivers the ball. Which he does need to work on. However even that is somewhat overblown given that often QBs have to throw off balance or from different arm angles to fit the ball around defenders. He is considered very accurate so apparently it isn't hurting him that much.

Did the numbers support that his height was an issue? He had few batted passes and PFF said his biggest improvement was throwing over the middle. As he said he has played football at this height for most of his teenage and adult life at the highest levels. In fact I remember talking heads saying how he seemed to find windows and seams to throw the ball. So for whatever reason it seems he has figured out how to adjust his game to what he does best.

We threw for 3400 yards in 2024. Just lessening drops alone could have added 300 yards. And with familiarity in the scheme I dont think that 3900 would be hard to reach. Maybe what holds it down is running to finish the game if we are ahead versus passing to try and get back in it like last year.

Or your line can't run block or your running back sucks. But yeah being pass happy doesn't guarantee success.

The Browns were the most pass happy team at 65% and the Eagles the least at 43%. It seems that most teams were somewhere in the 60-40 mix. Interestingly we were the 9th ranking team passing the ball around 59%. So every team needs an effective running game to avoid being one dimensional. And defenses need to be build to defend both the run and pass to avoid being easily exploited like we were last year.

Delhomme was average physically but his fire and competitiveness meant he often showed up at big moments. He relied on others to get the yards. Bruce is similar. His strength is his processing speed and elusiveness in the pocket. He won't overwhelm you with athleticism and needs the team to do the work for him. Like most teams their quarterbacks are average. If everyone got 30 tds to 10 into, then that would be average. You know who else had average physical skills? Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Meltdowns???? He was pulled by Canales because he wasn't executing the game plan after 2 games into the season so he could watch Dalton execute the offense and show Bryce the windows available in the NFL, how to push the ball down the field and how to step up and move around when blitzed. When Young came back 5 games later he clearly watched and improved. Enough he was named the future starter. He doesn't have a history of meltdowns nor is there any reason to assume he will have one. From what I have read he is mentally strong and emotional stable. He may have bad games down the road, everyone does. But this is all a learning experience for him and so far he seems to be making progress. I can understand being hesitant on anything Panthers, but Young has surprisingly been able to gain his confidence after a disastrous start. You aren't alone in being cautious but I think he is the future. I thought he was too small and too short to succeed in the NFL. Honestly I was pleasantly surprised last year and am optimistic about the offense for the first time since Wilks and Dalton were decent.

What I saw was huge improvement going from terrible to one of the top 10 qbs by year end. I don't just want good play, I want continued improvement as he spends year 2 in the same system with the same guys (with a few upgrades) and Canales goes into year 2 as a head coach. I want Bryce to continue to show that he is worthy of the top pick in the draft. I think I will be disappointed if he is just good unless he keep getting better as he goes. He is finally got the talent and coaching he needs. Given how chaotic Tepper'reign has been, I think we have really lowered our expectations. Which is totally understandable to avoid abject disappointment each year.

Bryce can be average to above average and lead us to great seasons and a Super Bowl. How many QBs have won a superbowl ring and not been that fantastic that day and relied on the rest of the team. Or played average all year and elevated their game in the playoffs? The team wins or loses and it isn't dependent on the qb to be all world. What I see is hopefully a team that runs the ball and passes when they need to. I think Bryce showed when the pressure is on he now steps up where before he crumpled. Teams who blitzed him at the end of the year paid the price which is huge. It isn't total stats but how you do on third down and making big throws when everyone knows you are going to pass. I think that transfers from year to year and improves with a strengthening cast and experience. And something he did consistently in college.

That is the thing, we were very competitive on offense at the end of the year but our defense was terrible and rarely gave us short fields or defensive points. The number of wins is totally dependent on the defense and lack of injuries on both sides of the ball. We could easily win 8 if our defense is competitive. Brown being back alone is worth a win or two. Add some pass rush and run defense and who knows. But I am oddly not worried about the offense for the first time in years.

You don't move on unless you can trade him for good value. But you do bring in competition for the position and let the best man win. He is still on a rookie contract but you wouldn't pick up his 5th option unless he earned it this year and next.

Won't count under the cap if he isn't one of the top 51 salaries

I read we drafted him to be our return guy. Ran fast and has wiggle. For a 4th rounder it was a good choice.

Weren't you in on McCaffrey with me too? Maybe it was someone else. With Canales being an offensive guy, there is always hope. With Warren and Sanders on either end we can run or pass from the same look and dominate either phase of the game.

I look for guys who are productive but also physical mismatches who can't be replaced later in the draft. If we pass on Warren who could be our next Greg Olsen and actually mentored by the same, for a tweener who we have to fit into a role, we will have made a big mistake. Warren is a pretty sure thing and limits the need for a number 1 wr. Then again I wanted Olsen when he was drafted and they never listen to me.

I am looking for a strong home campaign. If we can go 6-2 at home and steal a few on the road I will be fine with that kind of progress. Sure would make going to the games a lot more exciting. Like it used to be.