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  1. I was doing the calculations the other day. Comes out to about a 3 year, $54 million contract if I did the math right. And 2 years is only $30 million roughly. If Moton's agent is expecting us to match the Ramczyk contract, at the very least tagging twice seems to be the most financially prudent decision for now. Hard to know how far off the numbers are but I suspect that's the hold up.
  2. The value of Erving's contract is very much TBD. He's similar to Kalil and Oher in that he's a former 1st round pick that hasn't lived up to billing but we're hoping in a new environment, he can be a serviceable LT. If he does become that, similar to Oher, his contract will be a bargain. If he's the 2nd coming of Kalil, well at least it's not a 5 year, $55 million contract. If he is what he's always been, a versatile backup that can plug and play for a few games but you're hoping you aren't counting on him as a 16 game starter, then it's a modest overpay, where you'd probably expect to pay more like 2 years, $5-6 million. Doesn't strike me as worthy of worst contract status. But that could reflect the fact that we've cut bait with most of the dead weight.
  3. I might have to put a couple hundred dollars on that bet
  4. In a vacuum, competent O line depth is more valuable than a mid to late round draft pick. However, he's on a one year contract and the lions have pretty much announced they are doing a full rebuild. What benefit do you get keeping him in the first year of a complete rebuild? So that if Sewell gets injured, maybe you win 3 games instead of 2? Or maybe you think they should resign him to a big extension to be their 3rd OT, since that's what it'll take to outbid other teams that will gladly pay him to be their starter. Smartest move is to get something for him rather than have him leave for nothing in free agency next year and add to their draft arsenal as they build to the future.
  5. Your rankings seems pretty darn good to me; infinitely better than PFF's. Andy Reid is a no-brainer as #1. Joe Brady being in the top 5 over Sean Payton is so incredibly laughable. The list goes on.
  6. Yeah great point. Think about how laughable it would have been if Chicago offered the same package for Lawrence. It doesn't matter if there wasn't as highly touted of a #1 pick; in no universe does the 20th pick, a future 1st and 2 4ths get you the #1 pick. So to say that us not trading with Chicago means we thought Horn was more valuable than a #1 overall pick is absurd.
  7. Didn't see anyone post this article. But he's ranking teams based primarily on how well they did in free agency and the draft. For reference, his top 5 are Bucs, Patriots, Chargers, Ravens and WFT. Bottom 5: Raiders, Packers, Steelers, Texans and Falcons. The relevant Panthers section: 26. Carolina Panthers What went right: The Panthers continued to build carefully under Matt Rhule and new general manager Scott Fitterer, with one significant swap that we'll get to in a minute. I like the deals they made Haason Reddick and A.J. Bouye on defense, and they added a valuable piece at cornerback in No. 8 overall pick Jaycee Horn. The decision to give up on Teddy Bridgewater and make a run at Sam Darnold might end up being the most notable and important choice the Panthers made this offseason, but I generally liked the supplemental decisions Rhule & Co. made around their roster this offseason. What went wrong: I'm not thoroughly excited about the Darnold trade, which saw Carolina send three picks to the Jets for the former No. 3 overall pick, including a second-rounder in 2022. Perhaps more importantly, the Panthers also agreed to pick up Darnold's fifth-year option for 2023, which is now fully guaranteed at $18.6 million. Quarterbacks who start their career like Darnold rarely turn into effective passers in their second stops, and this franchise is making a significant bet that Darnold will be the exception. His lack of development and middling success even in clean pockets would worry me, and I think the most likely scenario is that Carolina is back in the quarterback market again in 2022. What they could have done differently: The other big bet the Panthers made this offseason was staying put in Round 1 of the draft and drafting Horn. The Bears sent pick Nos. 20 and 164 in the draft and their first- and fourth-rounders next year to the Giants to move up from No. 20 to No. 11 and draft Justin Fields, and even if the Panthers didn't want the Ohio State product, they presumably could have accepted a similar offer from the Bears and picked up a tantalizing first-rounder in the 2022 draft. Even if we value those future Bears picks as being the last picks in their respective rounds, the package on the whole was worth 33.5 points by the Chase Stuart value chart, which is right around the value of the No. 1 overall pick in a typical draft. More realistically, those picks will add up to being worth more than the top pick in a typical draft. Passing up that trade offer (or, at the very least, not successfully seeking out that sort of offer from a team like the Bears) implicitly values Horn as being worth something like the No. 1 overall pick, and cornerbacks taken in this range just do not have that sort of success rate or impact historically. You could make this same argument for the Lions at No. 7 or the Broncos at No. 9, but this was probably an opportunity the Panthers missed. What's left to do: Extend Taylor Moton. The 2017 second-rounder has developed into one of the best right tackles in football, and with the left tackle spot looking like a big question mark, the Panthers would do well to solidify one tackle spot for Darnold's sake. The Panthers franchised Moton for 2021 at $13.8 million, and a new deal for the 27-year-old should come in around four years and $62 million. My thoughts: 1. His only mention of the draft was us not trading down with the Bears as a mistake. That's fair but do we know for sure a similar offer was on the table? You'd think but it's also feasible Chicago saw the Patriots pick approaching and got desperate with their offer. And even if it was available to the Panthers, dropping from 8 to 20 is a move you make when you don't mind not being competitive this year. With our 2022 2nd rounder going to NYJ, we need to win some games now. And why no mention of all the times we did trade down? 2. He has Moton taking 4 years, $62 million. If so, why isn't he signed already? I'd do that yesterday.
  8. I don't think taking a flier on a no risk, minimum salary, end of roster player really warrants much criticism here. And more and more teams keep only 2 qbs on the roster. Having someone like him would be primarily for his TE and/or special teams contributions, with a lesser role as the emergency qb if we get horribly unlucky to have both our starter and backup qb injured in the same game and need someone to get us through to the end of that game. Then we'd sign another qb before the next game. So in that sense he doesn't even have to be better than either Grier or Walker. If he's more likely to meaningfully contribute to the team, he is worth a roster spot over 1 of them.
  9. The book isn't written on the draft but the Little pick is a huge stain particularly since he required both our 2nd and 3rd round picks. Miller could be good; he only played his rookie year with minimal time on the field and flashed at times so can't judge that yet. Daley if he can actually get healthy, would be tremendous value in the 6th. So best case scenario, we could look back and say it was a mixed bag with 1 complete stud in the 1st and a couple decent role players on day 3 which would be a far cry from an all time dud. On the other hand, if Daley and Miller get cut this year or never really make it on the field for one reason or another, then yeah, it's up there in terms of all time Panthers badness.
  10. Apparently some people think a JAG is anyone not in the Hall of Fame conversation
  11. From all the moves we've made, it's clear we decided we're going to give Darnold a real shot. We gave up a 2022 2nd, passed over Fields and Mac Jones at 8 and picked up Darnold's 5th year option. If they decided after all that to go all in on Watson and his pending legal issues, then I really don't know what this team is doing. Honestly, given the choice to pick Fields with a single 1st round pick and pay him $20ish million over 4 years (or around $45 million over 5 years), or give up 3 1st round picks and pay nearly $150 million over the next 5 years for Watson, give me Fields all day.
  12. Not quite. What's the going rate for a veteran cb1? Easily $15 million per season these days. Jalen Ramsey is making $20 million per year now. So you can't give credit for Fields being cheaper than Darnold and ignore the potential value of Horn over a veteran replacement. You obviously get more value with qb, but it's more like half what you're quoting. At the end of the day, the team didn't feel Fields was likely to be the answer or at the very least, Darnold was more likely to pan out than him. Time will tell if they were right.
  13. Teddy rightfully gets crap for coming up small time and time again. But why does everyone give Brady the benefit of the doubt? There's no question he needs to get better at situational playcalling. Is it really unfathomable that a coach, who's biggest prior experience was spending a single year as the passing game coordinator for a college team that was literally unchallenged the entire year, might not have fully developed his situational playcalling? And then he had to make the huge leap into the pros in the middle of a pandemic without anything close to a normal offseason to prepare? I think he'll do a lot better this year with more experience and hopefully a qb better equipped to execute plus a healthy CMC, but he left a lot to be desired in 2020.
  14. I don't see how drafting another G with our compensatory 6th would've made that much of a difference. We can only start 2 Gs. Between Miller, who was solid on the line last year, Daley, Elflein, Brown and Moore, not to mention Erving who has played a lot of snaps at G and Christensen, who some project to start at G before eventually kicking out to LT, where would Smith get an opportunity to bolster this line? I really think the disappointment about passing Smith is overblown. We already took one G who dropped for one reason or another in the 6th. We decided Brown was a better prospect than Smith. At a certain point throwing all your eggs in one basket has diminishing returns. There's a very real chance Smith wouldn't have survived to the 53. I completely agree that talk of not resigning Moton is foolish. Tackle is where we have our biggest question marks. I'm actually fine with the rest of the line. I suspect our plan is to utilize Scott and Erving as temporary plugs at LT (whoever wins the camp competition) while grooming Christensen to take over either before the end of the year or start of 2022. And if he isn't showing any potential to make the leap, we're back to figuring out a solution in the 2022 offseason. But hopefully he does.
  15. Moton isn't the type of player you gamble with. He's young, skilled, healthy and plays a key position. Even if we spend a couple million more than we want, the loss of Moton would be harder to recover from than whoever we might have signed for the $2 million or per year so we might be apart on in contract negotiations. Drafting Christensen doesn't suddenly make Moton expendable. And Erving has been a liability at tackle whenever he's been asked to start. He functions better as a swing tackle for depth. Our offensive line situation has been a major question mark for years. Resigning Moton gives us the opportunity to have a very solid outlook for the next few years if Christensen can grow into the LT role. And if he can't, then we will need Moton even more
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