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Enough blaming everyone, who is actually to blame and why

House

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So the reason we are not any good is because JR forced Fox to play with a roster consisting of Gross, Wharton, Kalil, Steve Smith, Williams, and Stewart as his only pro-bowl caliber players on offense?

Homer-ism at its finest.

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You say his body language spread like a disease? Let me see, he's a "Lame Duck" coach on his last year, and Jerry decides to purge the roster. I'd be pissed. He was f*cked from the very beginning.

Good roster?

An unproven QB, two rookie QBs. WRs are all rookies except Stevie, Average OL made worse by losing Otah before the season even started. DL was below average after the loss of Peppers. LB is a bright spot. Defensive backs are average at most. Richard Marshall is awful.

Sorry, FOX isn't to blame.

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Yeah those guys have been playing great :rolleyes:

Because they were told from the begining of the season by thier HC that they were fuged.

This is a young team, Fox got it that he couldn't win with this team, it spread to the veterans and quickly infected the young players. There is nothing more detrimental to a young team than to have a HC that does not believe in you.

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As much as ignorant fans like to hate on "Foxball" because it's conservative and not "exciting" enough for them, it works perfectly fine with the right pieces in place. Specifically, a good O-Line and running game, a good D-line and a defense that causes turnovers, and a QB that doesn't f*ck up. We don't have any of those things right now, and JR refusing to sign anyone in the off-season obviously didn't help that.

It was only two seasons ago that we were one of the top teams in the NFC. But yeah, 12-4 is deteriorating for sure.

How did we do in 2008 when it mattered? We were a decent team who won a few extra. When it came time to earn your money, we got out coached and whooped.

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This team is dis-organized and doesn't know how to win. I wouldn't say that there is no talent on this roster that a HC could win with. Fox at the begining of the season had a chance to either take this young team and mold it into a bunch of good players or to mope around because all of his over the hill veterans were gone. He chose to infect the team with an attitude of we aren't good enough.

Now I don't think that this team was going to the SB but I don't think this team is so talent deprived that it couldn't at least win 7-9 games if things had of been handled differently.

Good thing you don't know a lot about Fox as a coach, otherwise you might have made a valid post about him.

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How did we do in 2008 when it mattered? We were a decent team who won a few extra. When it came time to earn your money, we got out coached and whooped.

It sucks that our worst game of the season had to be in the play-offs, but to discount an entire season of success because of one bad loss is just ridiculous. Who gets credit for those "few extra" that you arbitrarily decided we shouldn't have won? Certainly not Fox, I guess. Amazing how our team did so well that year with a coach that was so bad.

And it matters because you're trying to tell us that this team has been "deteriorating for years." We weren't "deteriorating" that year, we were top-notch and fell victim to Jake finally losing it.

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Good thing you don't know a lot about Fox as a coach, otherwise you might have made a valid post about him.

This is were you aren't paying attention to what I am saying. I think Fox is a great coach. However his demeanor at the begining of this season is the direct cause of where this team is at now. Fox realizes that he needs to win some games but this team is lost now.

His disbelief in this team at the beginging was what led us to this crappy team. Not his coaching ability.

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How is that homer-ism? All of those players, heading into this year, were pro-bowl caliber players.

That is absurd. Pro bowl by default at best, when the other 12 inline decline the invitation.

Listen, we are all fans, but this is the worst team I have ever witnessed. How we won a game is beyond me.

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That wasn't our only bad game of the season.

v Oak - 7 completions

v Tam - 3INT, 40yds rushing

v Min - 3Fum, 45yds rushing

among others. We had plenty of miscues that season. It wasn't just a fluke that we 'had a bad day to have a bad day.' The team was finding ways to squeak out some wins, but it finally caught up with them. And we saw what they really were when essentially the same team stunk up the field for most of 2009.

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That is absurd. Pro bowl by default at best, when the other 12 inline decline the invitation.

Listen, we are all fans, but this is the worst team I have ever witnessed. How we won a game is beyond me.

I agree, the team is pathetic, I just disagree with you that there is no way that another HC or even Fox himself couldn't win some games with this roster.

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