Cut Sherrod Martin

[Miaoww]

So you wouldn't take reggie wayne right now??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-l_Y2Es9Kc

That wasn't the discussion.

[HeatCheck]

Watch the play again please they were on the 17yard line he had been touch for 13 yards. before martin hit him.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011112705/2011/REG12/panthers@colts#menu=highlights&tab=recap

Excuse me, I meant to say Martin was on the 8 and Brown on the 12. But because of the angle he took he wasn't able to get to him until later. A better angle would have saved some yardage.

Not denying the fact that front 7 isn't our strongest but it's still his duty to help in run defense.

[DaCityKats]

If you can't play out in space than safety is the wrong spot for you our any football player besides line men.

[koolkatluke]

That wasn't the discussion.

No you act like Reggie wayne can't make a move or is slow for some reason.

Erm, seriously?

You realise Wayne had Peyton Manning throwing the ball to him, right? His strength is running crisp routes and having sure hands whilst being reasonably quick. He only gets YAC if he's beaten his man and there's daylight to run into. He's not going to run around or through anyone.

Being a reliable target in a Peyton Manning offence will let you rack up a poo ton of yards.

You posted this 1st you're giving a lot of credit to Manning and none to Wayne. Then I showed you a highlight flim that showed Wayne catching inaccurate throws and making people miss in the open field.

[koolkatluke]

If you can't play out in space than safety is the wrong spot for you our any football player besides line men.

Now he can't play in space. OK again 50 tackles for a safety in 11 games is pretty good. Plus the fact he playing with the worst front 7 in football. He will be on the team and you will have to deal with it.

[DaCityKats]

Now he can't play in space. OK again 50 tackles for a safety in 11 games is pretty good. Plus the fact he playing with the worst front 7 in football. He will be on the team and you will have to deal with it.

Never said he shouldn't be. He is decent in pass coverage but expecting him to come up and make a stop is becoming comical.its ok to recognize a players weakness because 31 other teams will.

[koolkatluke]

Never said he shouldn't be. He is decent in pass coverage but expecting him to come up and make a stop is becoming comical.its ok to recognize a players weakness because 31 other teams will.

No expecting him to come up and make stops on the run 15-20 times a game is comical which is what him and CG have been ask to do all season. It's ok to recognize a weakness. We should just be realistic when critcizing. He and CG shouldn't have to stop the run 15-20 times a game.

[koolkatluke]

Plain and simple your safeties shouldn't have as many tackles as your MLB. But they do this is the problem.

[Miaoww]

No you act like Reggie wayne can't make a move or is slow for some reason.

Erm, seriously?

You realise Wayne had Peyton Manning throwing the ball to him, right? His strength is running crisp routes and having sure hands whilst being reasonably quick. He only gets YAC if he's beaten his man and there's daylight to run into. He's not going to run around or through anyone.

Being a reliable target in a Peyton Manning offence will let you rack up a poo ton of yards.

You posted this 1st you're giving a lot of credit to Manning and none to Wayne. Then I showed you a highlight flim that showed Wayne catching inaccurate throws and making people miss in the open field.

That video just proved everything I said: he's reasonably quick with sure hands and he runs crisp routes.

You watched the video, right? Did he ever make a man miss in the open field? If he did I certainly missed it. In comparison put on a Smith or Boldin highlights tape. That's half of the plays.

[koolkatluke]

That video just proved everything I said: he's reasonably quick with sure hands and he runs crisp routes.

You watched the video, right? Did he ever make a man miss in the open field? If he did I certainly missed it. In comparison put on a Smith or Boldin highlights tape. That's half of the plays.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3771_YAC_attack%3A_the_best_receivers_after_the_catch.html

This should end this right?

[DaCityKats]

No expecting him to come up and make stops on the run 15-20 times a game is comical which is what him and CG have been ask to do all season. It's ok to recognize a weakness. We should just be realistic when critcizing. He and CG shouldn't have to stop the run 15-20 times a game.

Exaggerate much, and if it did happen that much he its expected to stop the play.that's part of playing that spot you are the last guy between the guy scoring.

[koolkatluke]

Exaggerate much, and if it did happen that much he its expected to stop the play.that's part of playing that spot you are the last guy between the guy scoring.

Again our safeties have just as many tackles as our MLB. You can't exaggerate how bad that is for a defense.

For example

Falcons

MLB Curtis Lofton has 100 tackles

FS William Moore 32 tackles

SS Thomas DeCoud 53 tackles

[Miaoww]

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3771_YAC_attack%3A_the_best_receivers_after_the_catch.html

This should end this right?

Well I guess if you want to further support my argument, sure. He's great at picking up YAC if there's daylight. You actually watched that highlights reel, right?

He picked up a ton of YAC because he got behind the D and Manning hit him. Not once did he juke a DB out of his shoes, run somebody over, or outrun someone to the corner. THAT WAS MY ARGUMENT.

Martin apparently was hoping Wayne was going to step out of bounds because he had no intention of tackling him despite having the angle. Evidenced by him waving Wayne by for the TD.

[koolkatluke]

Again our safeties have just as many tackles as our MLB. You can't exaggerate how bad that is for a defense.

For example

Falcons

MLB Curtis Lofton has 100 tackles

FS William Moore 32 tackles

SS Thomas DeCoud 53 tackles

Compare to

Dan Connor 52 tackles (he has missed 2-3 games)

Beason 4 tackles

Jordan Senn 22 tackles (I don't know how many are special team tackles)

CG 62 tackles (he's missed 1 game)

Sherrod 48 tackles