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Why was the Palmer Hit a Penalty?

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Sorry if this has been discussed, but I searched the first two pages and didn't see anything.

What was wrong with that hit, he him just after the release. The announcers explanation wasn't clear to me. Looked like Hardy just rocked him.

Here's some Kate Upton for your trouble.

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he "led with the helmet" apparently

any time a quarterback gets jacked up now they toss the flag first and ask questions later

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The replay looked to me like Hardy led with his helmet into the QB instead of his pads. You can see his facemask go right into Palmer's ribs. I don't necessarily disagree with that call, but the no-call on Cam was absolute bullsh*t
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It was discussed earlier in the game thread but no big deal and it's a good topic.

Technically leading with the head and making contact (which yes Hardy did do) in a malicious act (no Hardy didn't do) is a personal foul.

[b]To my knowledge of the game, both have to occur (unless it's against a receiver) for it to warrant a flag on the play.[/b] I don't believe Hardy hit Palmer maliciously, it just seemed like a big football hit where one man was still and the other was at full speed which made it look malicious.

I personally still don't believe it should have been flagged.
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[quote name='I Registered To Post This' timestamp='1356325069' post='2060496']
he "led with the helmet" apparently

any time a quarterback gets jacked up now they toss the flag first and ask questions later
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Thanks for registering to post that.

But yeah, what a horseshit call. Hardy is the man.

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He lowered his helmet and launched himself. But imo it was a clean hit. Violent but clean. Carson Palmer knocked himself out of the game by holding the ball too long.

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If a DE comes around the edge, takes a step and puts a helmet in the QBs back its a form sack. But because Hardy had a running start and Carson made himself a sitting duck it looked brutal and the ref flagged it.

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Palmer is a lady with a bloody pussy and cries when she get's hit by a man

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[quote name='KendrickPanther' timestamp='1356325325' post='2060506']
If a DE comes around the edge, takes a step and puts a helmet in the QBs back its a form sack. But because Hardy had a running start and Carson made himself a sitting duck it looked brutal and the ref flagged it.
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Well if he is fined, it's bullshit, and I hope the higher paid players on the team pool together to pay his fine. Hate Hurney all you want, Hardy was maybe one of the best picks he ever made.

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Farve, Delhomme, guys on all ends of the gunslinger mentality get hit like that a million times without flags. The penalty made no sense

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Oh he'll be fined, as soon as Leinert entered the game; the NFL got their check books out. Also expect a few for Newton and possibly one for Godfrey too.

I don't believe Kuechly will receive one because his hit look very clean unless the NFL saw something that I clearly didn't.

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[quote name='kahakai' timestamp='1356325483' post='2060513']
Farve, Delhomme, guys on all ends of the gunslinger mentality get hit like that a million times without flags. The penalty made no sense
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Remember what NFL they played in and now look at what NFL we play in. Two entirely different leagues now.

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He speared him in the back with his helmet. I would hope Cam would be the same call, but homeboy drove him into the group and there was no flag. Also another late hit not called when Cam was shoved out of bounds after clearly releasing the ball. So apparently the refs only throw flags if your QB is a lil bitch.
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It would have been a sports center top 10 five years ago.

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[quote name='PiratePanther189' timestamp='1356325115' post='2060497']
The replay looked to me like Hardy led with his helmet into the QB instead of his pads. You can see his facemask go right into Palmer's ribs. I don't necessarily disagree with that call, but the no-call on Cam was absolute bullsh*t
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You teach 10 yr olds to look at what you are tackling. Hardy didn't lower his lead....his eyes are buried in Palmer's ribs. If that is illegal they should just put red shirts on QBs.
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^ Be careful what you wish for lol

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[quote name='KendrickPanther' timestamp='1356325152' post='2060500']
He lowered his helmet and launched himself. But imo it was a clean hit. Violent but clean. Carson Palmer knocked himself out of the game by holding the ball too long.
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He neither lowered his head nor launched himself, which is why it was a clean hit.
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Soon they will just have each player play as themselves in madden for player safety. But then one player will suffer a seizure from the bright lights emitted from the gameplay, and they will ban that too. It will eventually be players playing the football equivalent of magic the gathering.
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The rules clearly state (and I quote):

[indent=1][i]If a defensive player hits an offensive player very hard, and said offensive player falls down and is in apparent pain, the defensive player shall be called for unnecessary roughness. If the offensive player is a quarterback, all hits that make fans of the defensive team say "yeah, baby" will be deemed excessively rough. The only exception to this rule is when the quarterback is 6'5" and 250 lbs or greater, in which case they can be hit with impunity.[/i][/indent]
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I will say upon further review, Hardy's face mask was in Palmer's back (head was up though), however, the tackle didn't look to be malicious. Just a clean hard hit.

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[img]http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2012/12/23/14/16/o9oCs.St.138.jpeg[/img]

As this pic from another thread shows, Hardy's head was not lowered. His facemask was in Palmer's back/side, and he didn't launch. He drove through him. Pretty much text book tackle all around, but because a QB got hurt, it was an automatic flag. If Hardy gets fined, I'd be outraged.
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Hardy just reminded everybody how football is supposed to be played
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If I recall, Palmer was stepping forward to throw the Ball and Hardy had already made the commitment to position he was tackling. Thus, Palmer stepping up even a half step put Hardy's helmet in his Back instead of his shoulder in his ribs.

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It was a bull poo call as I was sitting in the section closest to the play. It was a clean but hard hit and Hardy got flagged because Palmer got hurt. The referees were total poo during the game and made horrendous calls and no-calls all day long. The only other crew I saw be so worthless was against Dallas a few years back. Flag happy except when it came to late or unsportsman like play on Cam. Also, the most I have seen fans boo the zebras.
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[quote name='I Registered To Post This' timestamp='1356325069' post='2060496']
he "led with the helmet" apparently

any time a quarterback gets jacked up now they toss the flag first and ask questions later
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I was thirty yards from it, watched it happen, savored it on replay, and was outraged when the flag came. That was the cleanest, nastiest QB hit I have seen in a long time - and I watch a LOT of football! But it was like that all day long. If they want them to play two-hand touch or flag, they should just go ahead and put the QBs in red "don't hit me" jerseys like in practice and be done with it. I can see penalizing a flagrant hit, and I'm all for player safety. But yesterday looked a lot like the pussification of the game to me.
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