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  1. For those of you that can't get enough of all of the mocks, here we go: Pick 24: Josh Jackson When in doubt pick a CB or DE in the first if they are anywhere towards the top of your board. Too important to winning, too hard to find, and too expensive to keep. After the QB the 2 most important positions on the field. Would consider Ridley if he falls, also if James gets anywhere around 17 I'm trying to move up. If Jackson is gone would also consider some of the other top CBs (Alexander or Hughes) or maybe even trade down for Oliver. Pick 55: D.J. Chark Outside deep threat, exactly what a Norv offense needs. Cam's Alvin Harper If he isn't there would probably go safety (Bates) and go with Gallup or Hamilton in the third. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/d.j.-chark?id=32462018-0002-5599-1512-af2ae612016b Pick 85: Tarvarius Moore FS with great measurable, seems to be a late riser https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tarvarius-moore?id=32462018-0002-5611-17cc-a900bdcd743b Pick 88: Martinas Rankin Future center, also like Chris Herndon (TE) here https://www.nfl.com/prospects/martinas-rankin?id=32462018-0002-5601-845a-acb4f8dd89a0 Pick 161: Will Dissly TE, has some blocking ability https://www.nfl.com/prospects/will-dissly?id=32462018-0002-5601-229c-0df1bc282abe Pick 197: Justin Watson WR from Penn, 6'3", 225lbs, 40" vert, 4.4 40yrd dash, 20 reps at 225 Maybe he can make the team on ST, https://www.nfl.com/prospects/justin-watson?id=32462018-0002-5600-51cf-ae1679485bfd Pick 234: Dimitri Flowers Potential FB https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dimitri-flowers?id=32462018-0002-5601-3572-e0a7c160e8a0 Pick 242: Foyesade Oluokun Big safety from Yale, https://247sports.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/Bolt/Draft-sleeper-Foyesade-Oluokun-from-Yale-has-official-visit-set-up-with-San-Francisco-49ers-117015812
  2. Trade down mock by Rodrique

    How much is the 5th year option for Shaq? 9.2m http://nfltraderumors.co/217166-2/ I'm not sure if it is the financial windfall that some think. How much would he get on the open market? Also if we would have traded down that year to 34 we would have saved 2m over those 4 years which could be used to pay the first year on a longer deal Also you have to consider what you might be losing by letting go of that 3rd pick. What if that pick becomes and average to above average starter? What does an above average starter go for in free agency? If it is a 6m? 8m? look at some of the receivers that signed this off season. Even if you go with 6m that is 6m in savings over four years, 24m, that easily offsets any saving from a 5th year option. You don't even have to right that often with the 3rd pick, if you are correct 25% of the time it probably offsets the 5th year savings.
  3. Trade down mock by Rodrique

    How much is the 5th year option for Shaq? 9.2m http://nfltraderumors.co/217166-2/ I'm not sure if it is the financial windfall that some think. How much would he get on the open market? Also if we would have traded down that year to 34 we would have saved 2m over those 4 years which could be used to pay the first year on a longer deal Also you have to consider what you might be losing by letting go of that 3rd pick. What if that pick becomes and average to above average starter? What does an above average starter go for in free agency? If it is a 6m? 8m? look at some of the receivers that signed this off season. Even if you go with 6m that is 6m in savings over four years, 24m, that easily offsets any saving from a 5th year option. You don't even have to right that often with the 3rd pick, if you are correct 25% of the time it probably offsets the 5th year savings.
  4. but we added a corner, DT, and safety....and the following quote Seems like we might go heavy on offense in this draft. totally agree. Maybe he is tying to change people's opinion of him and wants to trade down.
  5. I smell a trade happening...

    If we decide to move up in the second I hope we don't do it by giving up a 3rd. I would much prefer us to move down in the first and use that draft capital to move up in the second. For example right now we have picks 24 and 55. Picks 30 and 43 have the same total value. If we are willing to move out of the 1st round picks 35 and 36 have the same value as 24 and 55. Moving out of the first might actually get some premium on the trade value chart since it is moving the other team back into the first. Personally I don't think there is a good be a huge difference in that 20-40 range unless someone unexpectedly falls. I could actually see 55 being a tier lower. By trading down you might end up getting two players in the same tier as you would have for staying at 24.
  6. ^This, we get to play the games regardless of what happens in the draft. With that being said though 2 rookie starters would be nice, 3 would be great. Unfortunately though this is the kind of thinking that gets teams in trouble. GMs convince themselves that they are 100% right about a player when history tells us the odds are way lower than that and they go off and do something stupid like trade up.
  7. Depth isn't necessarily the same as strength. I totally get the idea that if a class is deep that good players might get picked lower. My point is the term "strength" is often relative to what round you are referring to. s The WR class this year is probably considered weaker than last year but that is because there seemed to be better player in the first round last year. The receivers in the 2nd and 3rd this year though are probably comparable to last year. So if we draft a receiver at 85 this year there is a good chance his grade will be very similar to a receiver we could have drafted last year at 85. Not sure why that doesn't make sense. Concerning Hurst, which I'm not advocating drafting by the way, where exactly do you see him graded in relation to everyone else? He seems to be in that 25-35 range from what I could tell, which puts him in the range of consideration.
  8. Teams aren't required to draft a set amount of positions each round. Strength of a class is relative to the point in the draft you are selecting. Often when people talk about strong classes they are referring to the top of the class. Its possible for a class to be weak at the top but stronger in round 2-3. Will the extra good players at the top of the strong class move some players down? to a degree but not to the degree people think around here. This is why some years you might have 3 WRs in first round and other years 7 WRs. This year's WR class is viewed by many as being weak but a lot of that is because of the lack of first round talent. 2nd and 3rd is probably comparable to last year though. Here again you have to think in term of grade as opposed to rank among position class. Now rank overall is important though. You keep comparing Hurst to last years top TEs but that is irrelevant this year. The only question is where does the rank among the entire draft class this year? Are there 25 players graded above him? 35? 45? Does positional value effect this? of course. You are correct that teams aren't pure BPA, some classes are devalued some, normally RBs, TEs,Safetys, and Guards. How much is up to the team.
  9. The strength of the position class is a bit misunderstood around here. Teams think in terms of grade, not rank. Year 1 - 4 tight ends in the first, grades of 92,91,89,88 would be considered a strong group Year 2 - 1 tight end in the first, grade of 88, would be considered a weak class. If the 4th TE in year one goes at 30 and the first TE in year two goes at 30, you are getting the same quality of player. The quality of the class has no bearing on your pick. Also how he compares to TEs last year is irrelevant. The only question is where he ranks in this years draft class, and not with just the TEs but everyone. Is he a top 25 player, top 35 , or even later? Personally I think he will go at the back end of the first. For those of you that don't think has a grade indicative of the end of the end of the first round are you basing that on personal opinion or are you seeing that somewhere? For the most part I see him listed in that 25-35 range. I would agree with that. Ridley is my "hoping he falls pick". I'm afraid a lot of the Huddle is falling into the same trap they did last year. We tend to argue about which player to pick among players that probably won't be there. Last year is was CMC, Adams, Fornette, or Thomas when in reality the discussion should have been CMC, Barnett, Hooker or Howard. This year it is Hurst, Ridley, Jackson, Moore when in reality there is a good chance it will be Hurst, Reid, Daniels, or Wynn to name a few.
  10. I'm not saying Hurst should be the pick, but I have seem people refer to him as the most complete TE in the draft. Personally, I think Goedert has a higher ceiling. What is the chance that the coaches and/or Hurney feel like Hurst has the potential to not only enable us to run two TE sets, but also to improve our rushing attack. How good is Olsen's run blocking? Maybe it isn't just the potential of 2 TE sets but he Hurst might be on the field some as a single TE on rushing downs? I could see RR being happy with anything that improves our running game. I said it in another thread but I could really see a Hurst/Chubb combo with our two first picks.
  11. Not liking Hurst because of his age is a valid argument, but if you make it for him you also have to apply it to Ridley to some degree. Ridley isn't that much younger than Funchess or Amari Cooper. (6-7 months). 1yr and 4months younger than Hurst.
  12. Do you think he can be successful on the outside in the pros?
  13. I wonder how much Hurney would take Smith's opinion into account, might have more influence than someon here think. Unfortunately we are drafting at the point of the first round where you start to see more variance among team's draft boards. I would think the vast majority of teams have Ridley and Moore as the top 2 WRs. After that who are the next 4? Sutton, Kirk, Miller, Chark? I would guess the order of those 4 would vary greatly depending on the team. If you believe Miller has a late first round grade on him so be it, but you also have to consider what other teams think of him. Personally I think it is more likely he goes in the 2nd, probably early to mid. If you are going to reach mind as well trade down and get a pick for doing so.
  14. Tarvarius Moore

    Good luck with that, a lot of talk about him going 2nd day. NFL.com has him in top 60. https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/allPositions?college=allColleges&page=3&status=ALL PFF has him ranked as their 5th safety https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-ranking-the-safety-prospects-for-the-2018-nfl-draft What are the chances we grab 2 safeties in this draft? Personally I wouldn't be opposed to it.
  15. This is what I think they do, not necessarily what I hope 1. no, stay put 2. Ridley, Moore, Hurst in that order depending on who is there 3. 75%
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