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#1 ARSEN

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 11:57 AM

Ukraine is splitting up to East and West.  Putin got East Ukraine and all coal, gas fields and best soil in Europe.  US just gave Ukraine something like $60 million in tax payers money...  Western Ukraine has nothing besides cities.  US/NATO = Fail...



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:06 PM

How would we have "won" do you think?



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:24 PM

Where is this being reported?



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:44 PM

Where is this being reported?


Everywhere. Ukrainian president declaired that they lost East Ukraine to Pro-Russian forces.

#5 Frash Brastard

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:49 PM

Thanks, Obama

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:50 PM

How would we have "won" do you think?


United State is extremely involved in making Eastern and Western Ukraine part of EU. US gave Ukraine millions in aide. Kerry and Bidden both traveled to Ukraine to encourage West to fight. They sanction Russia and Putin to back off. Putin pretty much told US and Obama to fug off, then he turned around and took Eastern Ukraine without an invasion.

#7 Mvp2014

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:50 PM

Pussy in the white house.

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:54 PM

Pussy in the white house.

 

You don't actually believe that, do you? This is a no-win situation for any American president, regardless of the party. McCain slamming Obama is just partisan politics. If he was actually in the white house, this would have played out exactly the same. There is nothing more the US could be doing that wouldn't escalate this regional conflict into a full-scale international war.



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:57 PM

You don't actually believe that, do you? This is a no-win situation for any American president, regardless of the party. McCain slamming Obama is just partisan politics. If he was actually in the white house, this would have played out exactly the same. There is nothing more the US could be doing that wouldn't escalate this regional conflict into a full-scale international war.

I agreed but why the fug poke around in the first place, investing millions of taxpayer money, starting a conflict and then look like fools?

But to Obama defense he did score western Ukraine that will likely be part of EU within 5 years.

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:59 PM

Just a question. Would Putin have this sort of leverage in the region had we went forward with the European missle defense program?



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:03 PM

Thanks, Obama

why blame Obama, he didn't do anything?



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:06 PM

Just a question. Would Putin have this sort of leverage in the region had we went forward with the European missle defense program?


Yes, because he's a bully and he knows US won't do poo and he proved it to the world. China watched this very closely because Chine is planning on annexing parts of Japan and Vietnam. Putin victory will cause chain reaction which will cause major issues in the world overall.

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:08 PM

why blame Obama, he didn't do anything?


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:09 PM

I agreed but why the fug poke around in the first place, investing millions of taxpayer money, starting a conflict and then look like fools?

But to Obama defense he did score western Ukraine that will likely be part of EU within 5 years.

 

No idea. I've believed from the start that this was one we needed to stay the hell out of. Putin's definitely too savvy to allow the US to pull a fast one and sneak Ukraine into the EU.

 

It will really suck if Ukraine splits between Russia and the EU. As you well know, it would basically split families or force them to relocate. It's not like Russia and EU will have open visas that will let Eastern Ukrainians visit the West and vice versa.

 

As for the missile defense program. That probably would have just antagonized Putin further. Nothing like putting missiles threateningly close to your enemy's capital to make them nervous and aggressive. It's basically a role reversal of the Cuban Missile Crisis set in Poland.



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:10 PM

You witnessing major shift of world power from US/EU to Russia/China.

At least temporary.


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